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Chesa Boudin Recalled by San Francisco Voters

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Re: Chesa Boudin Recalled by San Francisco Voters

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Ferrotin wrote: post #9
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> There's still a lot of room --- and actual bipartisan support! --- for CJ reform in US politics To expand on this: there are legions of non-violent, opportunistic crimes that put young Americans in jail only to release them years later unskilled, difficult to hire and possibly disenfranchised. At the same time, hosts of violent crimes carry relatively short sentences with no attempts at rehabilitation. And all sort…

What non-violent opportunistic crimes are putting young Americans in jail? Theft? Is there bipartisan support for reducing its penalties? Or do you mean some other one? I can see bipartisan support for reducing penalties for victimless, non-oppotunistic crimes, like drug use.

> What non-violent opportunistic crimes are putting young Americans in jail?

Low level, non-violent drug offenses are the low-hanging fruit [1].

[1] https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/101...

Re: Chesa Boudin Recalled by San Francisco Voters

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Post by DiabloD3 »

vwoolf wrote: post #6
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housing the homeless SF and the Bay Area have been preventing housing creation for decades: https://techcrunch.com/2014/04/14/sf-housing/ , to the point that average SF rent is $3700/month: https://bungalow.com/articles/what-is-the-real-cost-of-livin... . The Bay Area is more politically left than anywhere else in the U.S.

The Bay Area, from what I can tell, has a lot of faux-left people actually running the show. People who are actually left and not centrist have been pushing for some sort of rent/landlord reform for decades, and the landlords have enough money to continue resisting and probably will do so for quite some time.

I'm glad I don't live there, tbh, SF sounds like a boring version of the nightmare futures written about in dystopian fiction.

Re: Chesa Boudin Recalled by San Francisco Voters

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When you're writing things like "you're part of the problem", you've departed from the norms of this place. There's a place for that kind of advocacy, but it's not HN; we're here for curious conversation. Even some people ordinarily inclined to agree with you will recoil from this kind of rhetoric here.

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Re: Chesa Boudin Recalled by San Francisco Voters

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Post by tptacek »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #13
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When you're writing things like "you're part of the problem", you've departed from the norms of this place. There's a place for that kind of advocacy, but it's not HN; we're here for curious conversation. Even some people ordinarily inclined to agree with you will recoil from this kind of rhetoric here.

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There's a button for that. Don't crud up the threads with more of the same.

Re: Chesa Boudin Recalled by San Francisco Voters

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georgia_peach wrote: post #10

Looks like having a DA raised by Weather Underground was too much, even for San Francisco: " Boudin fell in love with David Gilbert in the 1970s and gave birth to their son Chesa in 1980. When her son was 14 months old, she was arrested and subsequently incarcerated for murder and bank robbery. Her son was raised by former Weatherman leaders Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. "

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Consciously choosing to not prosecute serial felons doesn't accomplish any of those goals. He broke the social contract humans have with each other that makes society function. It's recall worthy (the voters agree).

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Post by rahimnathwani »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #11
Ferrotin wrote: post #9

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What non-violent opportunistic crimes are putting young Americans in jail? Theft? Is there bipartisan support for reducing its penalties? Or do you mean some other one? I can see bipartisan support for reducing penalties for victimless, non-oppotunistic crimes, like drug use.

> What non-violent opportunistic crimes are putting young Americans in jail? Low level, non-violent drug offenses are the low-hanging fruit [1]. [1] https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/101...

The crimes listed at that link are making, selling, importing and exporting drugs.

How are these 'opportunistic'? All of them require planning.

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Post by bruce511 »

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Political spectrums are always relative, and the spectrum of one country does not align well with the spectrum of another.

So while the policies you mention (social justice etc) might be main stream in one country, they can be far left in another.

Left-wing politics in the US would be centrist in much of Europe and positively right wing in say Cuba or Venezuela.

But you are not alone in your false equivalence - take for example the way many Cuban exiles in florida equate the democratic party with the communist Cuban regime (both described as left wing in their native countries.)

So comparing policies and parties from two different countries, and trying to use the same "scale" (left and right) is prone to error.

An error well understood, and exploited, by politicians everywhere.

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