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Diablo Immortal won't release in the Netherlands and Belgium due to loot box law

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Re: Diablo Immortal won't release in the Netherlands and Belgium due to loot box law

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Just remember folks: According to ABK this game took as many resources as a mainline PC game. So, instead of having a D4 release, with a D5 release on the horizon, we got Diablo Immoral.

Nah this one was developed by Chinese devs.

They didn't develop it without Blizzard's help.

Re: Diablo Immortal won't release in the Netherlands and Belgium due to loot box law

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I hate how games nowadays have credits and tokens and gambling things. Totally ruined the purity of games, I'm a millennial ex-gamer and recently got back into games via a PS5 and noticed how everything has changed now for the worst.

It would be funny to take a stab at micro-transaction based classic games.

I mean chess, checkers, crazy-8's, uno, etc

(of course funny until it makes money and you follow l ron hubbard's course)

Re: Diablo Immortal won't release in the Netherlands and Belgium due to loot box law

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If you've made it to the end maybe you should pay?

I got probably a thousand hours out of Diablo 2 for $100 total. Somehow I feel like the value proposition of $110,000 to have a maxed out character isn’t so great.

I can't believe people are even playing devil's advocate here. The level of quality has dropped so far the company should go bankrupt over games like this in a world not driven by perverse incentives.

Re: Diablo Immortal won't release in the Netherlands and Belgium due to loot box law

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Remember when Blizzard mocked the fans who said Diablo 3 was too colorful and cartoony? Path of Exile is such a better successor to diablo 2.

Diablo 3 was really bad if you liked Diablo 2. Always felt like PoE was the real successor but didn’t really try it…

it's simply the best action RPG available. It has limitless depth and tremendous player agency

Re: Diablo Immortal won't release in the Netherlands and Belgium due to loot box law

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I hope that loot-boxes and eventually micro-transactions become outlawed or at least age-restricted. One time, I had to help an immigrant neighbor investigate why $400 of his paycheck went missing, and it turned out that his son (who had no appreciation of how much money that is in West Virginia) blew it on Fortnite skins. I never found out if the bank refunded the transaction.

Re: Diablo Immortal won't release in the Netherlands and Belgium due to loot box law

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Immortal can be played for the mainline story without spending any money at all. So far, at least up to level 40 (about 12 hours of gameplay) I haven't felt the urge to spend money. It's a little like Path of Exile in that you can enjoy the base game and the story for free; it's only if you "get into it" that you start spending money (I never "got into it). I can't help but feel it's fair to give away a really nice g…

Actual lv. 60 player here. (proof: https://twitter.com/minimaxir/status/1533201559776923650 )

There's an interesting amount of misinformation regarding MTX in Diablo Immortal. But the TL;DR is that the significant gameplay advantages from MTX only really apply at higher Paragon levels, especially not before lv. 60. The primary way of increasing power before that is the same as it was in any Diablo; get better gear, which can't be accelerated by MTX at all.

That said, post-60 there are still a few systemic issues surprisingly not explicitly tied to the existence of MTX. (required grouping for dungeons is not fun)

Re: Diablo Immortal won't release in the Netherlands and Belgium due to loot box law

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post #44

I hate how games nowadays have credits and tokens and gambling things. Totally ruined the purity of games, I'm a millennial ex-gamer and recently got back into games via a PS5 and noticed how everything has changed now for the worst.

Agree to disagree maybe, but I'm happy that many games are free because of microtransactions.

His argument is that games nowadays are devoid of depth and content outside thinly veiled addiction models with shinies. He's totally right about it.

Even competitive games are taking a turn for the worst with forced changes to the meta. It makes more money but it is an abusive addiction cycle of making someone's favorite thing broken but making someone else's favorite thing useless.

Re: Diablo Immortal won't release in the Netherlands and Belgium due to loot box law

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Nah this one was developed by Chinese devs.

They didn't develop it without Blizzard's help.

It was outsourced to Netease, they already make comparable games. I'd bet they mostly just got some Blizzard assets and maybe some high level signoff on things to ensure they are ok.

Chinese developers aren't incompetent, they just have a hard time marketing their games to a western audience. Slapping a western brand name on one of their games is a perfectly reasonable way for them to do that.

Re: Diablo Immortal won't release in the Netherlands and Belgium due to loot box law

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It's not fair, it's predatory behavior aimed at addicts and children. I hope the rest of the EU will follow the fine example set by NL and BE.

it's predatory behavior aimed at addicts and children. Have you played the game? I saw the OG YT video on this, and I was expecting to see lots of in-your-face tactics, but wanted to be fair before passing judgement. I really don't think it's predatory. At least, not yet. Maybe things change at higher levels - they sometimes do. (I'm looking for points where you can't progress in the mainline quest without spending m…

Have you played it? I have. It's constantly throwing bundles with "+x00% value" in your face and does everything it can to try to get you to pay for stuff. And it gets far far worse when you hit the level cap. And no, it's not a valid excuse that it's a free game, so "I shouldn't complain". I'll gladly pay 60-120 Euros for a complete game as long as it treats me fairly as a customer.

Re: Diablo Immortal won't release in the Netherlands and Belgium due to loot box law

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Diablo 3 was really bad if you liked Diablo 2. Always felt like PoE was the real successor but didn’t really try it…

it's simply the best action RPG available. It has limitless depth and tremendous player agency

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