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Re: Show HN: SetOps – Run containers, databases and more in your own AWS account

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Post by chrisweekly »

latebird22 wrote: post #7
_whiteCaps_ wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you seen https://github.com/cloudfoundry/cf-for-k8s ?

My experience with tools like these on Kubernetes, even with something stable and widely used as e.g. certmanager, is that in the end something still breaks and you still need to get familiar with all the building blocks. In comparison if you use managed services like the AWS Certificates service you have less friction and less risk for something to break.

Good abstractions always allow you to drop down a level as needed.

Re: Show HN: SetOps – Run containers, databases and more in your own AWS account

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Post by arthurcolle »

andrewstuart2 wrote: post #19
superb-owl wrote: post #3

> Isn't it just Kubernetes under the hood? That's not the right question...Kubernetes is just one of the building blocks for easy and secure app deployment. It is not a one-shot answer for day two operations such as reliable databases, load balancing, backups, certificates, and data security...With SetOps, you don't need to care how we run containers – you'll profit from the sensible choices and long hours our infras…

It's funny you mention that. I'm currently a bit stalled (mostly for lack of time/motivation, but trying to get back on it very recently) trying to build exactly that. I'd be very curious what you think of the premise I've outlined on my landing page [0]. Basically, I have built the same thing a half dozen times and I want to do it for more people, for less money individually. And as part of the bootstrapping and DX,…

There is very little on this page. The bios are cut off on the Team page, the landing page is basically just a blurb. I much prefer sites that enable immediate demos of the thing in question, or at least something that gives me a better sense of what the value-add is. The site itself reminds me of consultancy sites more than a 'product' oriented startup page. Just my $0.02

Re: Show HN: SetOps – Run containers, databases and more in your own AWS account

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Post by andrewstuart2 »

arthurcolle wrote: post #22
andrewstuart2 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny you mention that. I'm currently a bit stalled (mostly for lack of time/motivation, but trying to get back on it very recently) trying to build exactly that. I'd be very curious what you think of the premise I've outlined on my landing page [0]. Basically, I have built the same thing a half dozen times and I want to do it for more people, for less money individually. And as part of the bootstrapping and DX,…

There is very little on this page. The bios are cut off on the Team page, the landing page is basically just a blurb. I much prefer sites that enable immediate demos of the thing in question, or at least something that gives me a better sense of what the value-add is. The site itself reminds me of consultancy sites more than a 'product' oriented startup page. Just my $0.02

You're not wrong, and that's the part I'm working on now. I've honestly mostly just used this page to suss out what I want to do, but apparently I could do better about communicating what it means to me. I'm guessing a video demo would be helpful, plus actually being able to take it for a test run. I'm pretty stoked about what I have, but it's just not quite ready to do much other than a video demo.

I'd hoped the intro page was enough to get the idea across in general, but it sounds like I need to improve there.

Re: Show HN: SetOps – Run containers, databases and more in your own AWS account

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Post by dgivney »

codegeek wrote: post #10

I donno. I am looking for a simpler solution on top of AWS that abstracts away setting up the services with configuration but doesn't necessarily use containers for everything and def. not Kubernetes. Is this not desirable for others ? All the solutions that I see are focussed on containerizing (I get that to an extent). But I would personally want a service on top of AWS that abstracts away setting up EC2, load bala…

It sounds like you might benefit from AWS Beanstalk which feels like a configuration widget built on top of CloudFormation - https://aws.amazon.com/elasticbeanstalk/

Choose your stack and beanstalk deploys to a load balanced, autoscaling group in your VPC. You can attach a RDS when you choose your stack. And all resources can be managed separately or through CloudFormation. Beanstalk also supports container deployments.

From the website > "You can simply upload your code and Elastic Beanstalk automatically handles the deployment, from capacity provisioning, load balancing, auto-scaling to application health monitoring. At the same time, you retain full control over the AWS resources powering your application and can access the underlying resources at any time. There is no additional charge for Elastic Beanstalk - you pay only for the AWS resources needed to store and run your applications."

Re: Show HN: SetOps – Run containers, databases and more in your own AWS account

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Post by solatic »

latebird22 wrote: post #6
superb-owl wrote: post #3

> Isn't it just Kubernetes under the hood? That's not the right question...Kubernetes is just one of the building blocks for easy and secure app deployment. It is not a one-shot answer for day two operations such as reliable databases, load balancing, backups, certificates, and data security...With SetOps, you don't need to care how we run containers – you'll profit from the sensible choices and long hours our infras…

Interesting thought. I can see your case for some growing companies. However I'm not sure if you would always need Kubernetes for this. What would you like adjust when we grow into a 1000 person company? I think you have still similar requirements like autoscaling, resource allocation, zero-downtime deployments etc. This is also possible without direct access to the container management. And there are a lot of compan…

> SetOps currently uses ECS

Not everything is a stateless HTTP microservice. Solutions like ECS start to fall apart when you try to run stateful workloads, especially when the lifecycle of the workloads needs to be coordinated to prevent loss of availability or data (i.e. cannot tolerate 2/3 of the containers being knocked offline at the same time). AWS does not offer a managed datastore (e.g. RDS) for every datastore, and many of the datastores it does offer (e.g. MSK) are "let's tick this box in the quest for covering all our customer needs" but not cost-effective for production workloads.

Maybe, as a product, you make a decision to tell your customers, when you need to run something like that, go hire DevOps and migrate off. But you'll be more credible if you're up-front with what kinds of workloads you don't intend to support, so that customers who have a strategic vision for engineering can say, hey these guys will be great for me for the next few years, now I'm more likely to buy in.

Re: Show HN: SetOps – Run containers, databases and more in your own AWS account

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Post by tobi_tobsen »

VectorLock wrote: post #25
melony wrote: post #9

Crowded space! Flightcontroller, qovery, Architect. Competition is stiff, I am interested to see where your product is heading.

So that naturally leads to the question... which of them are good?

I think you could anticipate my answer as a co-founder of SetOps :D

Re: Show HN: SetOps – Run containers, databases and more in your own AWS account

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Post by throw03172019 »

Lazare wrote: post #17
melony wrote: post #9

Crowded space! Flightcontroller, qovery, Architect. Competition is stiff, I am interested to see where your product is heading.

Also: https://getporter.dev/ https://convox.com/ https://atomizedhq.com/ And closely related: https://humanitec.com/ https://www.okteto.com/ https://www.env0.com/ And then old options like: https://dokku.com/ https://caprover.com/ And maybe: https://swarmpit.io/ https://coolify.io/ https://www.bunnyshell.com/ https://platform9.com/ And probably a dozen more. It's kind of wild.

Don’t forget Convox.

https://www.Convox.com

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