I wonder if it would be ok if the player age was verified to be above the ”gambling age limit”?
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Diablo Immortal won't release in the Netherlands and Belgium due to loot box law
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Re: Diablo Immortal won't release in the Netherlands and Belgium due to loot box law
#32Just remember folks: According to ABK this game took as many resources as a mainline PC game. So, instead of having a D4 release, with a D5 release on the horizon, we got Diablo Immoral.
Re: Diablo Immortal won't release in the Netherlands and Belgium due to loot box law
#33Immortal can be played for the mainline story without spending any money at all. So far, at least up to level 40 (about 12 hours of gameplay) I haven't felt the urge to spend money. It's a little like Path of Exile in that you can enjoy the base game and the story for free; it's only if you "get into it" that you start spending money (I never "got into it). I can't help but feel it's fair to give away a really nice g…
Path of the Exile is not a far comparison. The most you can enhance is extra sorted inventory space.
In Immortal Cosmetics are locked to one character. PoE cross character, remind able, and serve as trophies between leagues.
That's not to mention the breaking of the mold to a near open world versus instanced. Which drives FOMO. As well how the transactions are gamified.
Why people dislike p2w games is that it directly effects gameplay via inflation of grind.
It is nit good game design. Good profit making sure, but at some point you have to admit that these studios pull talent from Vegas.
Be fair. This is an obligation of major studios to make as much profit as possible. However is this short term versus long term? Will the make the needed profit to make up for the lack of trust in the long run?
Re: Diablo Immortal won't release in the Netherlands and Belgium due to loot box law
#34Immortal can be played for the mainline story without spending any money at all. So far, at least up to level 40 (about 12 hours of gameplay) I haven't felt the urge to spend money. It's a little like Path of Exile in that you can enjoy the base game and the story for free; it's only if you "get into it" that you start spending money (I never "got into it). I can't help but feel it's fair to give away a really nice g…
Very little like Path Of Exile. That game can be played to its full extent without ever spending. If you feel like spending 5-10 dollars you can get a premium tab so your item gets easily listed on trade -- but that's a single purchase and then you are done with spending. This makes it easier to trade your gear for in game currency with others -- but it's possible if clunky without and also there's a solo self found mode where you can't trade anyways so why bother. I can't emphasize enough: there's nothing in Path Of Exile where real world money affects the gameplay. You can't get better gear, skill points or whatever by paying real world money for it.
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#35Weird, if true. Diablo Immortal is rated M (17+) [0], the gambling age in the Netherlands is 18 [1]. 0 - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blizzard.d... 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling_age
The age rating creates no legal restrictions on purchasing a game. It’s “self regulation” with all the attendant chicanery.
Re: Diablo Immortal won't release in the Netherlands and Belgium due to loot box law
#36I wonder if it would be ok if the player age was verified to be above the ”gambling age limit”?
Volunteer that your games are not meant for children and permanently submit your cash cow games to legislative scruitany? It'll never happen. If legislated across the world, they still wouldn't admit that their products 'could cause harm's. Why open yourself to the liabilities? No, they'll just do everything they can to prolong the greed.
Re: Diablo Immortal won't release in the Netherlands and Belgium due to loot box law
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not fair, it's predatory behavior aimed at addicts and children. I hope the rest of the EU will follow the fine example set by NL and BE.
it's predatory behavior aimed at addicts and children. Have you played the game? I saw the OG YT video on this, and I was expecting to see lots of in-your-face tactics, but wanted to be fair before passing judgement. I really don't think it's predatory. At least, not yet. Maybe things change at higher levels - they sometimes do. (I'm looking for points where you can't progress in the mainline quest without spending m…
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#38Immortal can be played for the mainline story without spending any money at all. So far, at least up to level 40 (about 12 hours of gameplay) I haven't felt the urge to spend money. It's a little like Path of Exile in that you can enjoy the base game and the story for free; it's only if you "get into it" that you start spending money (I never "got into it). I can't help but feel it's fair to give away a really nice g…
I agree with this. Not a popular opinion, because it's not railing on a company. Free to play with legitimate and enjoyable content is a gift.
I don't think I can enjoy a game so much that I'd spend more than $100 for 40 hours of play. Beyond that dollar amount, it's really $/hr for me. If I'm sitting there spending $50 in a play session, then I will not be able to continue doing so without guilt and self-loathing.
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#39It was developed by NetEase, which is even worse than Tencent. In Tencent's game, if you pay some money, then you can enjoy the game. The more you pay the better experience you will get. NetEase: "Yes, you paid some money, but I'm still your father"
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Re: Diablo Immortal won't release in the Netherlands and Belgium due to loot box law
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not fair, it's predatory behavior aimed at addicts and children. I hope the rest of the EU will follow the fine example set by NL and BE.
it's predatory behavior aimed at addicts and children. Have you played the game? I saw the OG YT video on this, and I was expecting to see lots of in-your-face tactics, but wanted to be fair before passing judgement. I really don't think it's predatory. At least, not yet. Maybe things change at higher levels - they sometimes do. (I'm looking for points where you can't progress in the mainline quest without spending m…
I don't think it matters _when_ it becomes predatory. Whether or not gambling should be legal aside, if gambling for minors is illegal in a jurisdiction then i'd expect any game that becomes predatory at any point to be managed as gambling.
All of this is subject to the definition of gambling, predatory, etc - of which i'm not trying to argue. Just saying that befriending children with the goal of handing them drugs after a "long" period doesn't change that i'm still handing them drugs. Same goes for this, i would think - if it falls within those definitions, of course.