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Re: New Upcoming Telegram Premium Features

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Voice to Text transcription is worth it in itself. I hate when people send me voice messages: it's slightly less effort for them in exchange for much more annoyance and wasted time for me.

I apparently exist in a parallel universe: never received any. My partner does sometimes, it's really befuddling why anyone would do that. I suppose they can't dictate messages.

Re: New Upcoming Telegram Premium Features

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Chats are encrypted. The question who can decrypt them by default. It is a trade-off between security and usability. By default, you get usability (e.g., you can chat across devices easily). But you think it is worth the cost, you can make encryption keys unavailable without corresponding devices (create secret chat). My guess, most telegram users prefer usability or don't care/ignorant. It would be a mistake to make…

> Chats are encrypted. Not end to end. Let's not sell SSL connections as encryption please.

It is false that chats are "unencrypted" (I know, it is repeated on every submission about Telegram here but it does not make it true whatever Goebbels said). Here's a quote from the FAQ: "The relevant decryption keys are split into parts and are never kept in the same place as the data they protect. As a result, several court orders from different jurisdictions are required to force us to give up any data." https://telegram.org/faq#q-do-you-process-data-requests

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> Chats are encrypted. Not end to end. Let's not sell SSL connections as encryption please.

It is false that chats are "unencrypted" (I know, it is repeated on every submission about Telegram here but it does not make it true whatever Goebbels said). Here's a quote from the FAQ: "The relevant decryption keys are split into parts and are never kept in the same place as the data they protect. As a result, several court orders from different jurisdictions are required to force us to give up any data." https://…

That is only true for the End 2 End encrypted chats, which are a separate and not very user friendly thing. Regular chats and group chats/channels are by design unencrypted.

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Only just the word "Premium" in the title confirms my (totally unfounded because I didn't read much about nor try it) scepticism towards Telegram. I have an automatic aversion against the principle of two class services where the provider can over time tighten the screws and urge more people towards their premium offer. I'd prefer a service that just has one package an everyone pays the same. It's more transparent an…

The issue I see with that is that messengers (platforms) have a strong network effect - it becomes useful to you if you can reach your contacts there.

Making it paid creates an inconvenience even if the price extremely low, if you don't even know if your friends are on there (= if it's useful to you) even more so. If your target group is worldwide you need regional pricing (and payment methods) to not exclude economically disadvantaged regions. And even then it might have selective effects towards people who can afford the service more easily.

For a case study of a paid messenger see Threema, though it is probably difficult to measure the impact of its payment model on its success.

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> you can set up your own matrix server Synapse is still one of the worst installation processes[1] I've gone through. I'm extremely comfortable with Ansible and Docker but their install process sucks if you aren't exposing your Matrix instance to the world and don't have a domain pointing at it. On top of that, there are so many moving pieces to it if you want to bridge it to other services. I got it all installed b…

https://github.com/YunoHost-Apps/synapse_ynh you do have stuff like yonohost that make it much easier, maybe try that?

Oh cool, I had never heard of YunoHost before this.

After my comment, I decided to give Matrix a try again and setup a fresh Arch Linux VPS for it. I didn't run into any snags but it took quite some time to get everything configured. It probably took me a solid 2 hours just to get everything up and running (Synapse + bridges for iMessage, Signal, Discord and IRC).

Not many applications I self host require as much setup as Synapse!

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https://github.com/YunoHost-Apps/synapse_ynh you do have stuff like yonohost that make it much easier, maybe try that?

Oh cool, I had never heard of YunoHost before this. After my comment, I decided to give Matrix a try again and setup a fresh Arch Linux VPS for it. I didn't run into any snags but it took quite some time to get everything configured. It probably took me a solid 2 hours just to get everything up and running (Synapse + bridges for iMessage, Signal, Discord and IRC). Not many applications I self host require as much set…

Thanks for giving it another go. Setting up Synapse itself should be super easy though - it’s just an https listener pointed at by an srv record or .well-known uri. We don’t need weird certificates or reverse proxy contortions these days (since Matrix left beta in 2019); it really should be a few minutes max to do it from git or pip, or a few seconds via apt or similar.

Now, setting up a bunch of bridges is indeed harder, but they are deliberately entirely separate apps, each with their own foibles. But just like you wouldn’t blame Apache httpd for some fiddly 3rd party Apache module, I wouldn’t blame Synapse for the complexities of running bridges.

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Oh cool, I had never heard of YunoHost before this. After my comment, I decided to give Matrix a try again and setup a fresh Arch Linux VPS for it. I didn't run into any snags but it took quite some time to get everything configured. It probably took me a solid 2 hours just to get everything up and running (Synapse + bridges for iMessage, Signal, Discord and IRC). Not many applications I self host require as much set…

Thanks for giving it another go. Setting up Synapse itself should be super easy though - it’s just an https listener pointed at by an srv record or .well-known uri. We don’t need weird certificates or reverse proxy contortions these days (since Matrix left beta in 2019); it really should be a few minutes max to do it from git or pip, or a few seconds via apt or similar. Now, setting up a bunch of bridges is indeed ha…

Good perspective -- you are completely right, my perspective was totally off. Part of that reason is probably my only reason for using Matrix is for the bridging as I don't have friends or family who actually use Matrix, unfortunately, so I pretty much just use it for myself to bridge to other messengers.

But again, I appreciate you putting that into perspective. Synapse by itself really isn't too bad. But for it to be actually useful for myself takes a lot of work.

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It is false that chats are "unencrypted" (I know, it is repeated on every submission about Telegram here but it does not make it true whatever Goebbels said). Here's a quote from the FAQ: "The relevant decryption keys are split into parts and are never kept in the same place as the data they protect. As a result, several court orders from different jurisdictions are required to force us to give up any data." https://…

That is only true for the End 2 End encrypted chats, which are a separate and not very user friendly thing. Regular chats and group chats/channels are by design unencrypted.

It is false. Click the link to the FAQ. The paragraph for the quote begins with "To protect the data that is not covered by end-to-end encryption"

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That is only true for the End 2 End encrypted chats, which are a separate and not very user friendly thing. Regular chats and group chats/channels are by design unencrypted.

It is false. Click the link to the FAQ. The paragraph for the quote begins with "To protect the data that is not covered by end-to-end encryption"

Then it is not correct. A security analysis of Telegram has raised doubts about their e2e before. They have (had?) a blogpost up where they pontificate about how it not necessary and would put a burden on their channel feature anyway.
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