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Embodiment is indispensable for AGI

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Re: Embodiment is indispensable for AGI

#11

Correct. Without real stakes, no real intelligence. Now why on Earth would anyone want to build an embodied AGI, beats me. Actually, it doesn't beat me, it's the age old foolish pride that we'll be able to control our creation. We are not Gods, we won't. There should be international treaties with teeth to ban A(G)I research, like we do for uranium enrichment or (to a lesser extent) for gain of function research. Wha…

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Re: Embodiment is indispensable for AGI

#13
That's what I think too. It's not that a body is needed for building an AGI, but it's probably much easier to develop one on top of whatever basic software that can control a "body" that interacts with the environment.

Or maybe they can brute-force intelligence from a computer, I don't know.

Re: Embodiment is indispensable for AGI

#14

This is kind of a weird discussion. "Embodiment" here seems to mean "having a body," i.e. being able to perform motor tasks in the external world (as opposed to the way it's used in "Embodiment and the Inner Life" [1]). In that case, I don't think embodiment could ever be considered a necessary condition for AGI. But AGI would need to be able to learn motor tasks if given a body (in order to be called "general"). A d…

It's impossible to not be embodied. Controlling CPU and other hardware like motherboard and computer screen is an embodiment.

Why would moving physical objects like electrons by micro meters not be good enough, but by meters it would?

Re: Embodiment is indispensable for AGI

#15
People who think AGI means anything whatsoever are in my experience generally uncomfortable with the fact that all the goal-seeking behaviors they’re trying to see themselves in basically book down to sex drive.

AGI is a feeling alright. You can even call it love in front of the kids.

Re: Embodiment is indispensable for AGI

#16
This is something I always thought. AGI must learn what simple ideas such as 'a thing' are, how to find a path (look at how arboreal species navigate) and how that relates to movement, etc. Our physical interactions with the world, as much as our senses, inform everything we do about the world.

I do not understand why we would want AGI though. Seems like we already have humans for that.

Re: Embodiment is indispensable for AGI

#17

This is kind of a weird discussion. "Embodiment" here seems to mean "having a body," i.e. being able to perform motor tasks in the external world (as opposed to the way it's used in "Embodiment and the Inner Life" [1]). In that case, I don't think embodiment could ever be considered a necessary condition for AGI. But AGI would need to be able to learn motor tasks if given a body (in order to be called "general"). A d…

Can a CPU experience qualia?

The mind has a physical structure that supports it. We are still unable to understand a meaningful portion of that structure or replicate it.

Creating a concept to speculate about a system that we have no objective knowledge, based on subjective experience is useless. The name is catchy for a song though.

Re: Embodiment is indispensable for AGI

#18
This is interesting because, if AGI does require embodiment it will be subject to much stronger physical limitations than present “digital-only” approaches are.

To fully experience a human-centric world an agent will need a body not too different from humans, and will have all kinds of interesting power and weight constraints, and only be able to handle a certain volume of processing hardware. Thus they might not be as uncontrollably god-like as skynet.

So the key question seems to be whether they are individual agents or networked.

Re: Embodiment is indispensable for AGI

#19

This is kind of a weird discussion. "Embodiment" here seems to mean "having a body," i.e. being able to perform motor tasks in the external world (as opposed to the way it's used in "Embodiment and the Inner Life" [1]). In that case, I don't think embodiment could ever be considered a necessary condition for AGI. But AGI would need to be able to learn motor tasks if given a body (in order to be called "general"). A d…

If we are physical beings, and CPUs can simulate physics, then a CPU can experience everything that we experience, including "qualia".

Do you think we're metaphysical beings, or that physics are beyond the capacity of a CPU to simulate?

Re: Embodiment is indispensable for AGI

#20

Tesla FSD Beta has a body with sensors (cameras) and actuators (engine/wheels/steering). Does that count as embodiment?

Likely yes, although the article [1] says that's required, not sufficient.

[1] well, the title, in the grand HN tradition I haven't of course actually read the article.

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