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Apple Will Be Forced to Use USB-C Charger in iPhones

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Re: Apple Will Be Forced to Use USB-C Charger in iPhones

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First require uniformity of function (without regard for appropriateness, future innovation, etc). Second, require specific sources (those with political connections) because “reasons”. USB-c chargers today, usb-c chargers from FaviCorp tomorrow. Zero power systems innovation the day after that. Please don’t let politicians dictate technical design decisions.

Please don’t let Big Tech dictate technical design decisions.

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First require uniformity of function (without regard for appropriateness, future innovation, etc). Second, require specific sources (those with political connections) because “reasons”. USB-c chargers today, usb-c chargers from FaviCorp tomorrow. Zero power systems innovation the day after that. Please don’t let politicians dictate technical design decisions.

This comment is nakedly just a slippery slope fallacy.

Slippery slope is not a fallacy [0] when applied appropriately. The path to unintended consequences does not exist without this law

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

Re: Apple Will Be Forced to Use USB-C Charger in iPhones

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Good luck with this one, USB-C is a protean system with as much variation as a giant jar of jelly beans, from compatible but non-compliant interfaces (see my previous rant on Nintendo Switch) to multiple standards that render things undependable. My Nitecore batteries refuse to charge from an Apple charger but are happy with a Raspberry Pi charger.

I've got one Apple charger that's compatible with all my devices and one that's compatible with all devices except my System76 laptop, it doesn't like the 30 something watt charger.

Things that work: All Android phones, Macbook, System76 Laptop, Sony Headphones, JBL BT Speaker, some cheap-o tiny RC car.

All devices don't need to implement everything, I'm happy just being able to bring one charger, one powerbank and a couple of cables with me along with my devices. I was on a trip just the other day where I brought the powerful Apple charger I have, my Xiaomi powerbank, Phone, Speaker, Headphones and laptop.

I'd say this is a lot better than how it was not too many years ago, so I'd say they've succeeded.

My guess is that the Nitecore works with the RPI charger because it doesn't actually negotiate anything, just deliver a voltage on the power-pins. Your Nitecore gear is to blame for the trouble you're experiencing, I'd still say having one "smart" usb-c and one "stupid" is better than everyone having their own physical interface.

Re: Apple Will Be Forced to Use USB-C Charger in iPhones

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I've had to replace my USB C cables a bajillion times but never once had to replace my iphone cable. I think it's because iPhone cable has the male adaptor with the female on the device, which is a lot simpler and less prone to debris, which is what you want with a cable that gets tossed around. The USB C cables has the female adaptor on the cable which accumulates debris and moisture. USB C also oddly has the male a…

I would much rather replace a cheap USB C cable than a phone. Nearly every Apple user I know has had to replace their iPhone because their lightning port stopped working.

Re: Apple Will Be Forced to Use USB-C Charger in iPhones

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I've had to replace my USB C cables a bajillion times but never once had to replace my iphone cable. I think it's because iPhone cable has the male adaptor with the female on the device, which is a lot simpler and less prone to debris, which is what you want with a cable that gets tossed around. The USB C cables has the female adaptor on the cable which accumulates debris and moisture. USB C also oddly has the male a…

Lightning port, compared to USB C, is almost indestructible. There's no way you damage it by pulling cable sideways. Do the same with USB... Apple should upgrade Lightning to fully support USB C protocol but leave connector as is. But we'll see how they respond to another senseless EU idea...

This is misinformation, the USB-C connector is designed to outlast it's cables. A common problem with USB-C is that the connector get's filled with "stuff", and rather than picking it out they just jam their cable in harder til it's packed full.

The Lightning port has less of this problem because it's smaller but I've seen my colleague use a SIM-card removal tool to pick things out of his iPhone connector too.

The reason "USB-C is bad" is because you're comparing some of the highest quality manufacturing (Apple) with others. Apples USB-C on the Macbook is really solid.

Re: Apple Will Be Forced to Use USB-C Charger in iPhones

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I switched from Android to to iPhone SE- mostly as a matter of longevity and relatively cheap repair prices. Lighting is not better, it slides out more easily, it’s connections are less consistent (if you’re using a headphone adapter you will get disconnects), and it just doesn’t feel as good.

Physically Lightning is better - way more robust and resistant to potential damage. There's literally no way you damage connector on normal daily usage.

This is misinformation, the USB-C connector design is more robust than the lightning port. The reason there's a "tab" in the middle of the phone connector is so that the cable can grasp onto it with spring-loaded contact areas. In the lightning connector the spring-loaded pins are in the phone instead of in the cable, these spring loaded things are what breaks in the connector (if it isn't just full of lint which you can get out). The reason why it appears the lightning connector is better is because Apple manufacturers high-quality devices.

Lightning is designed to wear out the contact, USB-C is designed to wear out the cable.

Re: Apple Will Be Forced to Use USB-C Charger in iPhones

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I don’t damage my ports I don’t have a frame of reference for them not being robust. I do know that I can’t really use headphones with my iPhone because the experience blows because they disconnect. I do know that often my phone isn’t charged because the connection from the charger wasn’t good. C type is a better experience and the only time I’ve had a defective or damaged C port was on a sub $100 BLU phone

Try taking a toothpick and scraping in the inside of the lightning port. In my experience when the connection gets flakey its pocket lint building up.

Be careful not to crape the walls too hard though, that could damage the clamping pins that connect to the cable. Only go inwards.

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The European law is supposed to have a provision in it for review and modification - so in the event we get USB-D or whatever, there should be a mechanism to incorporate that in.

The point is when a new incompatible plug happens you have to replace your existing accessories, and accessory manufacturers have to choose which hardware is supported, or everyone has the dreaded adapters.

I'd rather have one adapter that fits between all my old and all my "new" devices than 99 competing standards with no adapters whatsoever.

Re: Apple Will Be Forced to Use USB-C Charger in iPhones

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It will perhaps apply for newer phones... > everyone's accessories need to be replaced now No. iPhone users can use/share with Android users.

only those android users using usb-c, not those with the various preceding usb's. You are correct, it's only ever lightning accessory that becomes junk, despite lightning preceding usb-c, and having more physically robust construction.

Those android users who are using usb-c are definitely most of them. I haven't seen an Android phone on the market in years that isn't USB-C. And those few who are left are the outliers, politicians have to focus on the masses. It's not like there aren't adapters in those cases anyways.

Re: Apple Will Be Forced to Use USB-C Charger in iPhones

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Good luck with this one, USB-C is a protean system with as much variation as a giant jar of jelly beans, from compatible but non-compliant interfaces (see my previous rant on Nintendo Switch) to multiple standards that render things undependable. My Nitecore batteries refuse to charge from an Apple charger but are happy with a Raspberry Pi charger.

I've got one Apple charger that's compatible with all my devices and one that's compatible with all devices except my System76 laptop, it doesn't like the 30 something watt charger. Things that work: All Android phones, Macbook, System76 Laptop, Sony Headphones, JBL BT Speaker, some cheap-o tiny RC car. All devices don't need to implement everything, I'm happy just being able to bring one charger, one powerbank and a…

I have been looking for an RC car that charges with USB-C, where did you find one?
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