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HP to Keep PC Division

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Re: HP to Keep PC Division

#11
With all the bad moves HP has made recently, this is a good one.

Although my testimony is likely not worth much, I feel it's important to convey why I think HP's PC division is worth keeping around.

My boss' HP desktop died, he brought it to me to see if I could fix it quickly, and I went through the steps on HP's website to "troubleshoot" it. I was pretty sure the power supply was dead, and I sent an email to support explaining all the steps I went through to determine that. There was an option on the page to list experience level, and I put it at the max.

The first response I got was that they would send a shipping box for it and that they would replace the PSU.

They 1) trusted their customer and 2) didn't back and forth, wasting their time and mine.

I got the box within a few days and returned the system to HP. It was back within 3 days (this is a week total from initial contact to returned system), and the hard drive wasn't even reformatted.

This is the kind of service that I am used to from Apple (fix it and forget it), and it renewed my hope in HP, but this was a little over a year ago, so who knows what's going on now.

Re: HP to Keep PC Division

#12
post #2

Will they keep WebOS?

WebOS has suffered from severe performance and stability problems for three years, with no solution in sight. This was demonstrated both when the WebOS application layer received a 2X performance boost when ported to WebKit on iOS, and again when Android was ported to the TouchPad hardware and was found to be quite a lot faster than WebOS. It's quite clear that it is a fundamentally flawed architecture without a futu…

Agreed (as a former Pre user).

I think they should rip out whatever kernel they're using and replace it with BeOS, which has wonderful real-time and multitasking behavior.

Re: HP to Keep PC Division

#13
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Will they keep WebOS?

Unlikely. Besides the fact that almost no one actually has any faith in it as a platform due to the way HP dropped it, even if they did do a 180, people would still have shaken confidence. Not to mention that there are currently no currently officially selling WebOS devices (except for a few straggling phones in the discount bin), nor plans for new ones. And, when your competitors are Android, WP7, and iOS, getting o…

I'm sure you could find dozens of articles from 1996-1998 saying similar things about Apple, but imagine how different the world would be if Jobs listened to them and just declared Apple "dead" and didn't return to the company. WebOS is a great platform and it's not too late to save, but it needs a better company than HP to breathe new life into it.

In my opinion, it's much better than iOS for tablets and larger devices (the perfect TV?) but the clock is ticking. Every day HP wastes with decisions like "should we kill one of our largest sources of revenue?" Apple is right next door developing amazing products for tomorrow like Siri.

Re: HP to Keep PC Division

#14
I don't understand why HP was so public about this decision-making process.

Perhaps it wasn't intended, and the original story was leaked? Seems like a good study: see if PSG should be spun off, but I can see no reason to make it public.

Re: HP to Keep PC Division

#15
post #8

Wow. What is going on there? At first I thought Apotheker was hired to complete some "unpopular" tasks, and then a new CEO could start over. But it seems like the board was completely asleep while Apotheker made his decisions. I am looking forward to some massive lawsuits brought against these people. Apotheker probably was the most clever guy in this, and knew that he could make a quick 20 million even though he wou…

I suddenly find myself wondering if someone wanted the stock price to crater, to make a takeover or mega-buy-in cheaper.

Re: HP to Keep PC Division

#16
post #6

This decision is better than their CEO pick (meg whitman) but these big decisions affect each other... I don't see much future but decline for HP

Kinda makes me like Whitman more, though. Wish she'd been around before the WebOS disaster.

The only credit I give Whitman for this is that she realized that the markets (both PC customers and the stock market) had already spoken, and they did not like the spinoff plan. Analysts had already pointed out that existing synergies (the supply chain, etc.) would be lost. I think it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that the spinoff decision would be reversed, although I'll grant Whitman the benefit of the doubt and assume that she really did study the question deeply and with an open mind.

I doubt she would have reversed the WebOS decision even if she had had the chance. As much as we techies may bemoan it, the fact is that for HP to see any profit from the Palm acquisition, it would have had to suffer losses for several years and then try to recoup them in an extremely competitive environment (read: low margins). I think the real mistake there was when Hurd bought Palm in the first place, and I see no evidence that anyone in HP's upper management thinks otherwise.

Re: HP to Keep PC Division

#17
post #8

Wow. What is going on there? At first I thought Apotheker was hired to complete some "unpopular" tasks, and then a new CEO could start over. But it seems like the board was completely asleep while Apotheker made his decisions. I am looking forward to some massive lawsuits brought against these people. Apotheker probably was the most clever guy in this, and knew that he could make a quick 20 million even though he wou…

Lawsuits for what?

Re: HP to Keep PC Division

#18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WebOS has suffered from severe performance and stability problems for three years, with no solution in sight. This was demonstrated both when the WebOS application layer received a 2X performance boost when ported to WebKit on iOS, and again when Android was ported to the TouchPad hardware and was found to be quite a lot faster than WebOS. It's quite clear that it is a fundamentally flawed architecture without a futu…

Agreed (as a former Pre user). I think they should rip out whatever kernel they're using and replace it with BeOS, which has wonderful real-time and multitasking behavior.

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Re: HP to Keep PC Division

#19

With all the bad moves HP has made recently, this is a good one. Although my testimony is likely not worth much, I feel it's important to convey why I think HP's PC division is worth keeping around. My boss' HP desktop died, he brought it to me to see if I could fix it quickly, and I went through the steps on HP's website to "troubleshoot" it. I was pretty sure the power supply was dead, and I sent an email to suppor…

While I have heard good things from a couple of people about HP's business support, my personal experiences with their consumer support division have been wanting.

My HP laptop has a locked BIOS that prevents you from replacing the wireless card. I sent them an email message describing the BIOS error message that was returned and asking for more information about what were valid wireless cards for the machine. I received a reply telling me to reinstall my wireless card drivers. Over the next few days, I tried to get someone who understood my issue, but was repeatedly told to reinstall drivers, to reseat the card, and a variety of other solutions that seemed to come from some wireless troubleshooting customer support script.

I called, and the person I talked to eventually told me to send the computer in, because "the depot would have a different unlocked BIOS that they could put on". When my computer arrived at the depot, I talked to:

- a technician who was sympathetic but very confused about why phone support told me to send my computer to the depot,

- two case managers who started out by telling me that they were "non-technical" who I had to explain what a BIOS was, and

- a rude senior case manager who yelled at me for wasting everyone's time and told me "if you bought a car with a Sony stereo, you wouldn't expect a Panasonic stereo to work in it". When I told him that he was being rude and I wanted to provide feedback to someone about it, he told me that there was nobody else I could talk to, as his superiors would not want to hear from me.

After a day of not hearing anything from the depot about when my computer would be returned, I called a HP executive support number I found on Consumerist or some other forum. The woman I talked to was exceedingly polite, but admitted she was non-technical, but then told me that my issue was "it was because HP wanted it that way" and even though it is in a user-accessible location, trying to install a different wireless card would void my warranty "just like installing Linux."

A week or so later, HP released a BIOS update to include more wireless cards on the internal whitelist, in order to support the version of the laptop in the Small Business store (same components, starting price was $300 higher).

Re: HP to Keep PC Division

#20
Understanding HP's dilemma is as simple as looking at the comps.

HP is trading at 6.5x P/E currently.

Yet HP's consulting business should be worth more separate (IBM at 14x, Accenture at 18x)

And HP's hardware business should be worth more separate (compare Toshiba at 12x, Apple at 15x, even Dell at 9x)

As a result I understand why they allowed Apotheker to do what he did.

Cut ONCE, bleed heavily and launch two strong, focused companies that aren't burdened by the distraction of the other and can unlock maximum shareholder value.

BUT wow, do they have a fricking communication challenge.

Every press release (even this one) is dry, complicated and nonsensical.

The current press release talks about a "data driven decision".

Why can't they just explain what they're doing and why?

Come on HP.

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