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Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Why do you care about the origin of the company?

I consider it unethical for my tax euros to subsidize an American company.

where you think your tax euros go anyway? Now that germany will re-militarize, just expect to be a much larger amount going to american companies.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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post #85

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It's about national security. A fab is necessary for national security

Subsidizing an American company is not necessary for Germany's security. In fact, it undermines it.

There will be a huge knowledge transfer into Germany during this process. Fab's are fabulously intricate and difficult to run. $5.5 billion to teach your populace how to make chips? Worth it.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Wow. For those old (or well-read enough in history) enough to have a sense of just how dominant Germany once was, world-wide, in science, technology, chemistry, optics, etc. etc....this news feels kinda like a tombstone of German identity.

The median age in Germany is now 46 years old, ie closer to retirement than doing anything new/risky.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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post #189

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Germany used to have a semiconductor industry like Intermetall (acquired by micronas acquired by TDK). The problem is that IMHO German automotive industry is not willing to pay a cent more than necessary. They do only care about short term profit. They triggered the chip crisis in Germany by stopping there orders and then restocking. I am not sure if any government can fix this.

Infineon doesn't count?

And there's this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Fab

"The X-FAB Silicon Foundries is a German group of semiconductor foundries, with headquarters in Erfurt (X-FAB Semiconductor Foundries AG is located in the south east industrial area between Melchendorf and Windischholzhausen). The group specializes in the fabrication of analog and mixed-signal integrated circuits for fabless semiconductor companies, as well as MEMS and solutions for high voltage applications."

And:

https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2021/03/apple-to-invest-ov...

"Apple will invest over 1 billion euros in Germany and plans European Silicon Design Center in Munich"

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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post #177

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> but simply to make everything unduly complex and costly I disagree with that characterisation, doing business in France is not that complex. Amsterdam has a giant advantage though - the English language is widely spoken and accepted, which really isn't the case in Paris. If an international organisation is looking to move from London, Amsterdam makes much more sense than Paris, even if we disregard the taxes side o…

Not that complex... Right. It's complex and costly enough enough that France keeps losing out. It's ridiculous, really, because there is no good reason for this. It's a mix of lack of self-awareness and ideology. France is not an isolated case, though. Many countries are like that, sadly.

> It's a mix of lack of self-awareness and ideology

Respectfully disagree. The current president, who was just reelected, literally won his first campaign on "i'll improve things for business, make it easier, enable startups, optimise government expenditures". And he enacted many business-oriented reforms that have enabled quite a startup boom ( for the French and EU standards, of course it's nowhere close to the US due to a myriad of factors like available financing). There's awareness of the challenges, and what ideology would that be?

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Investing in local chip fabs is long overdue. These are incredibly important for geopolitical stability and should be distributed world-wide. We've centralized too many fabs in too few places in the search for low cost.

Will it make much of a difference, though? Sure they can fabricate the chips, but a lot of the raw material needed will come from places like China.

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Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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It will be clear that this money was wasted within ten years.

What a government needs to do to attract real manufacturing entrepreneurs:

- pro family policies (for people)

- pro immigration (for people)

- cut environmental laws (for capex make-right)

- cut business taxes (for gm make-right)

- cut personal taxes (for people)

- fight back against china-sponsored economic maneuvering at the multilateral level (to create a competitive market)

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