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EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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> is it possible to make a port/adapter that you can't destroy by stepping on it? UK power plugs want a word with you. Not that there won't be damage, but it's your foot that will be completely destroyed.

A hit, a palpable hit! Yeah, those things are tanks.

Sadly, our feet are no match for them.

Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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You haven't brought any of those cheap Chinese cables, haven't you? I have such cables, which can't be really used for charging as well as for fast data transfer. They are good for my development hardware kits, I have. Because those kits don't have any high power requirements. But I cannot use them to power my notebook.

I buy best-selling cable packs costing a few euros per unit on Amazon. They charge and connect anything I own that has a USB-C plug.

But they may be very suboptimal. Most likely, they are not Thunderbolt or USB4 capable. Also, there is no guarantee that they can supply higher wattages.

Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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What does work together mean in this case, it’s not like we’re talking Ethernet where these devices are communicating to each other. Like I can’t use an android charger? Lightning to usb-c cables are pretty much standard. It seems like in the short term anyways this increases e-waste as all my old Lightning chargers become deprecated.

The other day a coworker's iphone battery was nearly empty. He did not have his charger with me. I offered that he could use mine, an usbc charger that has worked for my past 3 phones and also works with my laptop. He couldn't use it. Of course, not being an iphone user, I did not have an adapter. Neither did he, considering he forgot his charger. The iphone and the usbc charger did not work together.

This story would make more sense if you mentioned that he did not have a lightning cable with him. My iPhone X is currently plugged into a USB-C charger, no problem, but it's using a USB-C -> Lightning cable.

It's the cable that's the issue.

Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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>you can't just pick up a device cable and power brick and expect them to work together I never understood this sentiment. That would be even more true if USB-C wasn't the standard so I don't really understand the complaint. Obviously "same shape" isn't an indicator that it will "just work" for USB-C, so why would we expect that to be the case for anything else with modern complexity? It would be nice if fits == work…

Except if you use Lightning. It just works.

Because it's not an open standard any only support low-power devices. If we gimped USB-C to only support 5 volts, it would work everywhere too.

Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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I routinely charge my iPhone on a wireless charger. When I'm in a hurry, I plug it in. I don't want that option taken away, wireless is nowhere near fast enough yet.

I’ve also found wireless charging to be inconsistent at best, especially with a case. Half the time I come back and I didn’t place my phone in exactly the right place. Maybe it’s the quality of my chargers, but until I can buy a random charger on Amazon and assume it to be as reliable as an equivalent cable, I don’t think we can give up the cables.(fwiw my current charger is name brand)

This is why the last couple of generations of iPhones have supported "magsafe" charging, so the magnets line things up every time. Amazon has plenty of "magsafe" chargers for iPhones.

To be clear, wireless charging with "magsafe" is still slower than using a cable.

Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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I kind of understand this from an e-waste angle, but why (as a consumer) do I care if different phones use the same cable? I only have one phone. Even if I get a new phone every year, unless I’m switching back and forth between iPhones and Androids, I’m not having to buy new cables. If I go to a public place, and need to plug my phone in, I can already do that regardless of the connector on the phone end. If a friend…

Do you own a tablet and a laptop, by chance? Maybe have 3 other family members, each with some combination of said three devices? That can quickly become a lot of household chargers if they are all different.

Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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I kind of understand this from an e-waste angle, but why (as a consumer) do I care if different phones use the same cable? I only have one phone. Even if I get a new phone every year, unless I’m switching back and forth between iPhones and Androids, I’m not having to buy new cables. If I go to a public place, and need to plug my phone in, I can already do that regardless of the connector on the phone end. If a friend…

Do you own a tablet and a laptop, by chance? Maybe have 3 other family members, each with some combination of said three devices? That can quickly become a lot of household chargers if they are all different.

But the problem will still be exactly the same, because not all USB-C cables are created equal.

We've basically set in stone a standard that is so varied that the standardization means nothing. And that's before you get into any component actually wearing out and giving you degraded performance on the device or cable.

Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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I kind of understand this from an e-waste angle, but why (as a consumer) do I care if different phones use the same cable? I only have one phone. Even if I get a new phone every year, unless I’m switching back and forth between iPhones and Androids, I’m not having to buy new cables. If I go to a public place, and need to plug my phone in, I can already do that regardless of the connector on the phone end. If a friend…

Do you own a tablet and a laptop, by chance? Maybe have 3 other family members, each with some combination of said three devices? That can quickly become a lot of household chargers if they are all different.

As others have pointed out, even if all these devices have a USB-C hole on them, the likelihood that you could actually use their charger with another device (especially of a different class) is at best a coin toss.

The devices still have to ship with chargers, you still have to find the “right” charger, but now you can’t tell them apart?

My main thought is just that the problem of different chargers is not one I think requires sweeping regulatory intervention; but I’m not an EU voter. :)

Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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I want to like this, but I charge my iPhone with a cable that has lightning on one end and USB-C on the other, and I know from extensive direct experience that the lightning end is the better physical design. Supporting this is tantamount to believing that there will never need to be a USB-D that improves upon USB-C, and I just can’t believe that.

If there's a better standard in the future the law can be changed, they didn't put this in the constitution. I've never had a phone with USB-C to compare, but I've had rotten luck with Lightning. I always get that one power pin that blackens and makes the cable unreliable.

> the law can be changed

Basically there will never be a usb-d.

Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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A 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 had a wheelbase of 119" and was 210" long. A 2021 Mustang Mach E has a wheelbase of 107" and is 188.5" long. Which one is humongous? Even if you looked at the original 1964 Mustang, its not that much smaller than the Mach E which is a 5-door crossover. The '64 had a wheelbase of 108" and an overall length of 181.6", just 7 inches shorter for a coupe. Older American cars were often land yachts.…

The word was homogeneous, which means "of the same kind."

Oof, I really misread that one.
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