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Sure, but that's US money propping up US companies, what's wrong with that?
TSMC, Samsung are US companies? And what is wrong with Europe propping up a US company? You shifted the goal post from your original comment ("When will we ever learn to build up our domestic tech industry?"). I showed you that the US is doing exactly that, and now you jump to some other argument.
Once again EU taxpayer money bankrolling US tech dominance. When will we ever learn to build up our domestic tech industry? And before the chip hipsters crawl all over my back to prove we ackshually have a powerful domestic semi industry, please name me another EU company, other than ASML (a company 90% of people here never heard of before the chip shortage), that has the same margins, dominance and ability to shape…
Whether or not that extremely ideal scenario actually happens remains to be seen.
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You can invest 5.5 billion to create local companies, instead of subsidizing an American one.
If you want to create an Intel competitor from scratch that will be way, way more than 5.5 billions and will take a ridiculous amount of time.
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ASML is in the Netherlands though. Edit: Yes ASML is obviously not a chip fab but they supply the machines that actually fabricate the chips.
Correct, but ASML is not a chip fab
If ASML (and all their knowledge) disappeared off the face of the earth today progress in semiconductors would probably be set back a decade or two.
The fact they are a single company in one country that the global industry depends on for progress in semis should be of concern.
Once again EU taxpayer money bankrolling US tech dominance. When will we ever learn to build up our domestic tech industry? And before the chip hipsters crawl all over my back to prove we ackshually have a powerful domestic semi industry, please name me another EU company, other than ASML (a company 90% of people here never heard of before the chip shortage), that has the same margins, dominance and ability to shape…
Once again EU taxpayer money bankrolling US tech dominance. When will we ever learn to build up our domestic tech industry? And before the chip hipsters crawl all over my back to prove we ackshually have a powerful domestic semi industry, please name me another EU company, other than ASML (a company 90% of people here never heard of before the chip shortage), that has the same margins, dominance and ability to shape…
This is just Germany paying Intel to make unreasonable business decision reasonable.
These things usually happen for strategic reasons. For example, it could be possible that from purely business perspective it's the best to produce all the food in Africa, Russia or China but this leaves EU vulnerable to stuff going on in these places or conflicts with them, therefore you have common agriculture policy and food import-export controls.
The decision makers probably decided that completely relying on foreign IC supply is a risk they cannot afford, therefore they will pay to make it fixed. I wouldn't be surprised if EU also chips in.
It's too late for Intel. x86 doesn't have a future, ARM64 SoC architectures like Apple's M1 (TSMC) are the future of computing. Just as fast (and often faster in many benchmarks) with only 20-25% the power consumption and heat. Even Microsoft is preparing for the shift to ARM, at Build 2⁰22 they announced project Voltera, an ARM Windows 11 PC loaded with Visual Studio 2022 and .NET 7 all for ARM to give devs a head s…
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Sure, but that's US money propping up US companies, what's wrong with that?
TSMC, Samsung are US companies? And what is wrong with Europe propping up a US company? You shifted the goal post from your original comment ("When will we ever learn to build up our domestic tech industry?"). I showed you that the US is doing exactly that, and now you jump to some other argument.
Investing in local chip fabs is long overdue. These are incredibly important for geopolitical stability and should be distributed world-wide. We've centralized too many fabs in too few places in the search for low cost.
This will not do much with Taiwan being a single source for semiconductor manufacturing supplies. Much of critical blockers for chemicals, consumables, materials will still be in Taiwan just because the semi industry is that huge there. All 300mm fabs working outside of Taiwan are just few shipments of consumables away from stalling all the time. When Russia attacks Ukraine, the 3rd world is fucked. When China attack…
You have to start somewhere, it took us decades to delocalise everything to Asia, it'll take decades to build these industries locally.
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> This is a very bad policy. We should instead invest in local companies, not a American monopoly like Intel. The origin of the company is irrelevant if they respect basic norms. How exactly is "intel" a monopoly when Advanced Micro Devices Inc. is also American?
> The origin of the company is irrelevant if they respect basic norms. This is not correct. American govenment has a habit of using American companies to push foreign policy objectives.