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Letter in Support of Responsible Fintech Policy

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Re: Letter in Support of Responsible Fintech Policy

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Serious question for those of you who want to regulate Bitcoin out of existence: What do you propose to do with those of us who, despite your attestations of its uselessness, have deemed it useful and purchased it with our hard earned money? For example, MSTR has ~$4 billion in Bitcoin on its balance sheet. It purchased it on the free market for reasons that were valid to it. However, you disagree and want to step in…

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Re: Letter in Support of Responsible Fintech Policy

#52

Here's a prediction: Crypto is the next cancer from cigarettes, lead in fuel, climate change etc. The thing linking them is that even after it was widely acknowledged these were a net negative, they continued for a long, long time. Harming a wide group of people uneccesarily and massively profiting a select few. If I'm correct, the key indicator will be right wing governments around the globe being paid off to allow…

Proof of Work and Bitcoin may be generally trash, and unless they evolve they will eventually crash and burn, but "crypto" on the whole encompasses a wide range of good and bad applications. Here's a prediction: Over the next decade or two, scalable proof of stake crypto currency networks and blockchain-based systems will probably be used as base settlement layers for a growing portion of digital payments, disrupting…

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Re: Letter in Support of Responsible Fintech Policy

#53

The letter has some good and bad. Good because it advocates for more regulation and consumer protection, and points out some obvious concerns with crypto like energy expenditure in proof of work. Bad because the letter misrepresents the technology and paints privacy as a purely criminal behavior, and suggests the entire technology sector is useless. > Similarly, most public blockchain-based financial products are a d…

E2E privacy has a lot of uses.

Crypto has none.

It’s just an enabler and hotbed of a variety of scams.

Any use it may have can only possibly reveal itself after the crypto asset bubble/scams die.

So even if you’re a crypto enthusiast, you should be in favor of this whole disastrous phase for crypto ending so you can try again and actually make it useful this time.

Since crypto has become a completely speculation driven asset it’s become useless for anything other than buying and stuffing under the mattress.

Any value crypto may add to the world will only happen once that dynamic is eliminated.

Re: Letter in Support of Responsible Fintech Policy

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Sorry to say, but the petition won´t make any difference. The reason is simple: the problem is not technical, but political.

Governments, worldwide, have clear goals: to become more powerful, omniscient and perpetual in power, and the basis for this is the money they hold. Crypto currencies attack precisely the money part and consequently affect the other objectives.

The currency digitization movement is global (e-dollar being proposed by the FED, e-Real in Brazil, the digitization of money in India, as well as the banning of cryptocurrencies mining in several countries, claiming: * put your ecological/anti-terrorist argument here *.

The truth is that governments do not tolerate the loss of control and the possibility of currency evasion that cryptocurrencies potentially allow. They also don't tolerate the possibility that when they do shit, they can't print money at will to try to cover it up. Neither do they tolerate not having control over all circulating money, especially with regard to taxation.

Laws like this will continue to be passed easily, worldwide, as it maintains the status quo that governments will do everything to maintain.

PS: I am PRAYING to be wrong on ALL of the above statements....

Re: Letter in Support of Responsible Fintech Policy

#55

The letter has some good and bad. Good because it advocates for more regulation and consumer protection, and points out some obvious concerns with crypto like energy expenditure in proof of work. Bad because the letter misrepresents the technology and paints privacy as a purely criminal behavior, and suggests the entire technology sector is useless. > Similarly, most public blockchain-based financial products are a d…

> imagine this argument being applied to End-to-End Encryption There's a stark line between encrypted communication and encrypted money. If someone can't see the difference between those bits they shouldn't be handling other peoples' money.

Unless you are in the United States and your money is going to a super PAC, union, or other association. Then your transmission of funds is free speech and covered by the first amendment. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

Re: Letter in Support of Responsible Fintech Policy

#56

Serious question for those of you who want to regulate Bitcoin out of existence: What do you propose to do with those of us who, despite your attestations of its uselessness, have deemed it useful and purchased it with our hard earned money? For example, MSTR has ~$4 billion in Bitcoin on its balance sheet. It purchased it on the free market for reasons that were valid to it. However, you disagree and want to step in…

This has to be the least convincing argument for not regulating Bitcoin:

“What about this obscure enterprise software company that took billions of loans to buy Bitcoin? The company’s shareholders would be very sad if they had a margin call on those loans.”

MSTR would presumably have to go back to selling software instead of speculating on unrelated assets. And everybody else can keep their Bitcoins too, it might just not be as easy to convert them to cash.

Re: Letter in Support of Responsible Fintech Policy

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post #54

Sorry to say, but the petition won´t make any difference. The reason is simple: the problem is not technical, but political. Governments, worldwide, have clear goals: to become more powerful, omniscient and perpetual in power, and the basis for this is the money they hold. Crypto currencies attack precisely the money part and consequently affect the other objectives. The currency digitization movement is global (e-do…

> Neither do they tolerate not having control over all circulating money, especially with regard to taxation

Plenty of countries have given up their currencies. Presently and throughout history [1][2]. In particular, your toy model of governance isn't terribly predictive of American politics.

> not having control over all circulating money, especially with regard to taxation

Non sequitur. I can invoice from New York in euros or Bitcoin and still pay my taxes on those earnings in dollars.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_board#Examples_in_rec...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_union#History

Re: Letter in Support of Responsible Fintech Policy

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> Finally, blockchain technologies facilitate few, if any, real-economy uses. On the other hand, the underlying crypto-assets have been the vehicle for unsound and highly volatile speculative investment schemes that are being actively promoted to retail investors who may be unable to understand their nature and risk. Other significant externalities include threats to national security through money laundering and ransomware attacks, financial stability risks from high price volatility, speculation and susceptibility to run risk, massive climate emissions from the proof-of-work technology utilized by some of the most widely traded crypto-assets, and investor risk from large scale scams and other criminal financial activity.

Venezuelan emigrants have been using cryptocurrencies to get cash back to their families: https://www.reuters.com/technology/venezuelas-economy-regres...

Navalny's Foundation takes BTC and ETH donations and recommends them as the safest option: https://donate.fbk.world/?utm_campaign=10MAR22_fundraising_a...

Several Ukrainian humanitarian and military fundraisers are using crypto: https://nitter.net/kamilkazani/status/1533471887958986758#m

These are just the first three examples that come to my mind. When I see Americans crow about the uselessness of cryptocurrencies, I think of Marie Antoinette.

Re: Letter in Support of Responsible Fintech Policy

#59

The letter has some good and bad. Good because it advocates for more regulation and consumer protection, and points out some obvious concerns with crypto like energy expenditure in proof of work. Bad because the letter misrepresents the technology and paints privacy as a purely criminal behavior, and suggests the entire technology sector is useless. > Similarly, most public blockchain-based financial products are a d…

> imagine this argument being applied to End-to-End Encryption There's a stark line between encrypted communication and encrypted money. If someone can't see the difference between those bits they shouldn't be handling other peoples' money.

This line is drawn by society. At one point we did not see the need for E2EE or peer-to-peer file sharing, and now some of us do. At one point we did not see the need for privacy preserving digital currencies and peer-to-peer transactional systems, and now some of us do.

Re: Letter in Support of Responsible Fintech Policy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> imagine this argument being applied to End-to-End Encryption There's a stark line between encrypted communication and encrypted money. If someone can't see the difference between those bits they shouldn't be handling other peoples' money.

Unless you are in the United States and your money is going to a super PAC, union, or other association. Then your transmission of funds is free speech and covered by the first amendment. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

> your transmission of funds is free speech and covered by the first amendment

Political spending has been equated with political speech by the Supreme Court. That doesn't mean the government can't e.g. freeze a criminal's assets.

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