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Re: Heightened dream recall ability linked to increased creativity, connectivity

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

magusdei wrote: post #145
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #80

How does one know that you don't create the dream at the point that you're explaining it? Like a false memory. Thinking up an idea and remembering an idea probably have similar patterns on EEG. I guess that experiment has been done? At times I've had pretty interesting dreams, but since I was a teen (decades ago) wondered if perhaps the dream was made on the spot as I "remembered" it. Provided the creative part kept…

>If you have details, let me know. Athanasius is greek for "immortal" and is a common name of saints, church fathers etc. Lubensk (Лубенськ) is an obscure city near Luhansk. Saint Athanasius of Lubensk refers to Athanasius III of Constantinople, saint of the Orthodox church known as an "enlightener", who died near Lubensk. According to the Wikipedia article[1] he sometimes appears to people in dream visions, so your…

I've not looked this up in a while. I couldn't link any Athanasius to Lubensk at the time (but don't Athanasius of Constantinople, and found Lubensk.

Gotta say the "appears to people in a dream" is kinda fucked up [messing with my head].

It must be 10y or more since I last researched it, looks like there are more leads out there.

Thanks.

Re: Heightened dream recall ability linked to increased creativity, connectivity

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Post by iratewizard »

Zababa wrote: post #143
iratewizard wrote: post #54

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> IMO a lot of movie plots are really bad and stick to typical tropes and lessons It's a huge problem. I have watched very little American media produced in the last decade because of this. Whenever some coworker talks about how great this new show is, I'll watch it and cringe. It's 90% an A-plot B-plot following the same tired template. Then 10% of it is doing some form of virtue signaling, grievance agitation or ot…

> Plus, thankfully Japan's entertainment industry is going strong by having the different mangas compete with each other until the most interesting stories get adapted into an anime. That's not really true, it's usually the most popular as it's a money issue. Pick randomly a few seasonals and you'll find that most of them are not that good.

The existence of bad doesn't mean the absence of good. There's next to no good American media produced in the last decade. Maybe even longer. Counter that to a country that regularly produces new, original, captivating stories on a regular basis.

Re: Heightened dream recall ability linked to increased creativity, connectivity

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Post by iratewizard »

jotm wrote: post #156
iratewizard wrote: post #54

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> IMO a lot of movie plots are really bad and stick to typical tropes and lessons It's a huge problem. I have watched very little American media produced in the last decade because of this. Whenever some coworker talks about how great this new show is, I'll watch it and cringe. It's 90% an A-plot B-plot following the same tired template. Then 10% of it is doing some form of virtue signaling, grievance agitation or ot…

You can see it in other media, too. Same tired tropes most of the time. You can even see it in social media, you can make out the common tropes shaped by the society/culture/subculture/mainstream media and while original thoughts and non-us/them|black/white comments are there, they get downvoted. Which is pretty sad. All the while, everyone thinks they're right and better than everyone else. Japan's entertainment is…

Japan's entertainment is fundamentally different because the stories are proved in the manga market before they move up the entertainment chain. In America, the same nepotistic cretins write the same drivel - or are hired to fill in the mad libs template for a sequel's drivel - over and over again. Stories are tested by an executive before coming to TV or theaters. Not an audience.

Re: Heightened dream recall ability linked to increased creativity, connectivity

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Post by shakes_mcjunkie »

dorkwood wrote: post #76

You can improve your dream recall ability. It's not fixed. I did it when I was younger. I was lucky if I could remember one dream per month, and I went to remembering around six per night. Here's how to do it: as soon as you wake up, pay attention to whether you were just dreaming or not. Don't get out of bed and go to the bathroom -- if there was anything to remember from your dreams, you'll lose it by doing this. D…

From a practical standpoint, do you turn a light on? Do you write on your lap? Do you have a side table?

I've wanted to write my dreams down but not sure how to do it without bothering my partner in the middle of the night.

Re: Heightened dream recall ability linked to increased creativity, connectivity

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Post by Zababa »

iratewizard wrote: post #172
Zababa wrote: post #143

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> Plus, thankfully Japan's entertainment industry is going strong by having the different mangas compete with each other until the most interesting stories get adapted into an anime. That's not really true, it's usually the most popular as it's a money issue. Pick randomly a few seasonals and you'll find that most of them are not that good.

The existence of bad doesn't mean the absence of good. There's next to no good American media produced in the last decade. Maybe even longer. Counter that to a country that regularly produces new, original, captivating stories on a regular basis.

You said that the most interesting stories get adapted into anime, not that there are some anime that are good. The first statement is false, the second is true.

Re: Heightened dream recall ability linked to increased creativity, connectivity

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Post by whitepaint »

deltaonefour wrote: post #170
eternalban wrote: post #169

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> By meaning I mean the brain isn't trying to communicate anything factual or relevant to you. That does not map to my experiences with dreams and their content. But then, I -- my conscious self -- do not take an adversarial position regarding my inner Self. I benefit from reflecting on my dreams, otherwise I wouldn't waste my time. Integrating unconscious psychological content of my mind has always been a positive e…

My claim is that you assign meaning without realizing it. So my claim is all the benefits are created by your conscious self, but you perceive it to be from the dream. Similar to how religion helps people. Both are fiction.

We almost know nothing about how the brain actually works, so how can you talk about this with such confidence?

Re: Heightened dream recall ability linked to increased creativity, connectivity

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Post by jamal-kumar »

MockObject wrote: post #165
jamal-kumar wrote: post #83

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When I was younger I used to mess with some really obscure shit called oneirogics. It's obscure enough that I can't even google it. It's basically substances or methods you can use in order to dream harder. Cholinergic (affecting choline, basically the opposite of anticholinergics which are horrible pesticides ruining everything), and other ways (Maracuya (passionfruit) leaves under the pillow with its distinct smell…

It's not on the list, but I used to take 5-HTP before bed for making my dreams more vivid.

Yeah a lot of the stuff on that list is definitely just things you can score at the vitamin store, tons unfamiliar to me there too

Re: Heightened dream recall ability linked to increased creativity, connectivity

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Post by iratewizard »

Zababa wrote: post #175
iratewizard wrote: post #172

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The existence of bad doesn't mean the absence of good. There's next to no good American media produced in the last decade. Maybe even longer. Counter that to a country that regularly produces new, original, captivating stories on a regular basis.

You said that the most interesting stories get adapted into anime, not that there are some anime that are good. The first statement is false, the second is true.

Among the manga market, there is a wide range of quality. The success of an individual manga depends heavily on creating a story worth reading and using that quality to attract an audience. Other factors are at play, and what's "good" is a matter of taste. Still, morbius as a manga would not have attracted an audience, so it would not have moved up market.

Otherwise unknown artists can and often do make a name for themselves by telling a good story, and their story gets boosted by a functioning entertainment industry.

Contrast that to America's entertainment industry. A filthy and incestuous cabal of people decide what does and doesn't make it. Ideological zealotry required to step foot at the gates. Serial rapists as the gatekeepers using their power to take advantage of others.

Re: Heightened dream recall ability linked to increased creativity, connectivity

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Post by deltaonefour »

whitepaint wrote: post #176
deltaonefour wrote: post #170

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My claim is that you assign meaning without realizing it. So my claim is all the benefits are created by your conscious self, but you perceive it to be from the dream. Similar to how religion helps people. Both are fiction.

We almost know nothing about how the brain actually works, so how can you talk about this with such confidence?

Simple. I stare at a rock. The rock has no meaning even though I have no idea about the story behind the rock.

The burden of proof is always on the person assigning meaning to something. Why? because from a probability standpoint, no meaning is more likely. So the person claiming dreams have meaning must prove why their claim is real despite the low probability.

Why is meaning low probability? Because much more things in the universe have no meaning then have meaning.

For example, greek mythology. I know nothing of it. Yet I can make the claim that it is false and have a higher probability of being right then the person who claims greek mythology is real and has meaning and knows everything about it.

The majority of "meaning" is "found" the same way a christian "finds" meaning in the bible. It is common human behavior. By making a claim that someone has found meaning in some random thing this way, I am making a high probability claim because of the fact the behavior is so common.

Re: Heightened dream recall ability linked to increased creativity, connectivity

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Post by feanaro »

hnhg wrote: post #116
feanaro wrote: post #98

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> At times I've had pretty interesting dreams, but since I was a teen (decades ago) wondered if perhaps the dream was made on the spot as I "remembered" it. This is easily disproved by observing that people sometimes mutter in their sleep as they dream. Cats/dogs vocalize and twitch while dreaming too sometimes.

Not necessarily, unless you have some decent data on this to share? Not everyone might mutter in their sleep. The overlap between the people who mutter and those who self-report might be minimal. Muttering behaviour might have an unexpected relationship with dream recall, etc.

I guess I understood the claim to be universal, that is that all dreams are constructed purely at the point of waking. If it is not, then what I said is indeed not good evidence for the negation of the claim.

However, the possibility that some people dream for real while others simply construct faux memories on the point of waking up seems very stretched to me personally.

If you're asking about specific individual experiences, I've personally experienced people talking in their sleep about something, then waking up and explaining what it was about, with perfect consistency. I've also experienced this myself (having other people witness me doing so).

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