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Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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They provide free subdomains, not free domains. Title is misleading.

Domains, if you check the public suffix list, the eu.org stuff is entered as public suffix, so it counts as a domain like any other to the browser and the eu.org part is just the TLD.

From the site "The main goal of EU.org is to provide free subdomain registration to users or non-profit organizations who cannot afford the fees demanded by some NICs." They don't claim to be issuing domain names at all.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Depends on how you think about it. You could say that you 'own' it but you have obligations (lease payments) or it will be seized. The same is true for property you 'own', if you don't pay your taxes or fail to manage the property, it will be seized.

not paying taxes on your property is different from not owning something and missing a recurring payment.

Not really. With property taxes, you lease the title to “your” land from the government.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Na it's not really true, you don't rent it (the name), you pay for the administrative work, you still ~have the namerights, like google.com...they own that name, because they are the "creator" of it.

They're not the creator, Verisign created it. And I don't know about Google's specific agreement (they may have paid decades in advance for all we know) but in general if a company forgets to pay they lose their name, there were a few high profile cases like that already. That isn't ownership, that's rent.

>They're not the creator, Verisign created it.

They registered it, NOT created/invented it. It's like saying the Patent-office created your patent, but yeah you can loose the url, like you can loose your patent when you forgot to pay the patent-office.

Renting is just not the right word, because renting means that you never owned it, but someone else.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Free services attract spammers. No surprise. The "free" model is broken. Imagine how easy Twitter would get rid of spam accounts if they only charged a few sats per tweet.

sats?

A sat = the 100 millionth part of a Bitcoin. Also, a sat can be further divided into millisats (1000 millisats = 1 sat) on the Lightnig Network. So, essentially, very very tiny amounts that can be sent very fast at at very small costs.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Germany. All land belongs to the state, save for some historical claims held by the Catholic church and (I think) former aristocracy. Note that private property rights still exist on top of that but this is why the state can decide that e.g. an energy company's interest in your land is more beneficial to the people than yours. You'll still get reimbursed although legally speaking I'm not sure the state would have to…

> Germany. All land belongs to the state Maybe that's a technicality (at first glance it feels like an almost outlandish claim), but in the spirit of enquiry I'll put it like this: can you share a source for that? FWIW I skimmed [0] and failed to come up with anything that comes close... [0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grundeigentum

The GP is referring to Germany's counterpart to the US' eminent domain, I think: if the state lays a claim on your land, you are bound to comply.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enteignung#Wiedervereinigtes_D... (third paragraph):

Since 2009 there have been 1647 procedures initiated in the Bundesrepublik for expropriation of landownership for road construction projects. As of August 2020, 448 of these procedures have been completed. Paragraph 19 of the Federal Funeral Street Act allows expropriations, "insofar as they are necessary for the execution of a determined or approved construction project" and are in accordance with Article 14 of the Basic Law for the benefit of the general public.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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sats?

Satoshis. A fractional Bitcoin. Of course the answer is that nobody would use Twitter if that were the case because nobody cares about crypto currencies except for either speculation or fraud.

1. "nobody cares" - you realize that your statement is wrong if there is at least one person that cares. And there is at least one: Jack Dorsey, definitely not a speculator or a fraud.

2. Bitcoin != "cryprocurrencies" - which is why I didn't include Elon Musk under 1.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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post #59

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Domains, if you check the public suffix list, the eu.org stuff is entered as public suffix, so it counts as a domain like any other to the browser and the eu.org part is just the TLD.

From the site "The main goal of EU.org is to provide free subdomain registration to users or non-profit organizations who cannot afford the fees demanded by some NICs." They don't claim to be issuing domain names at all.

And? Since they're on the public suffix list, they might as well be issuing domains. Subdomains work differently in a browser compared to a domain and since the eu.org stuff is handled as domain by browsers I see no issue describing it as such.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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> individuals should be able to have and own their own domain names We should probably remember that no-one "owns" a domain, at least not in the traditional sense of ownership.

Something something blockchain! I believe for "real" ownership of domain names, a blockchain would actually make sense.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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sats?

Satoshis. A fractional Bitcoin. Of course the answer is that nobody would use Twitter if that were the case because nobody cares about crypto currencies except for either speculation or fraud.

I care, a lot. I work remotely and Bitcoin is the only way I can get paid from overseas.

In my country most people (even Govt officials) speculate on the US dollars against our currency, there's lots of fraud with cash, or social engineering old people to steal their money from their home banking. We should get rid of all of those as well, right?

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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> individuals should be able to have and own their own domain names We should probably remember that no-one "owns" a domain, at least not in the traditional sense of ownership.

Ownership is a nebulous concept with many interpretations. I'm guessing your referring to private property (from a capitalist interpretation) as "the traditional sense", in which case domain names are fairly similar: once you acquire the domain, it's reserved for you as long as you pay your dues (just like property taxes for land). If you don't, it will be put back on the market for other people to enjoy. To be clear…

> it's reserved for you as long as you pay your dues (just like property taxes for land). If you don't, it will be put back on the market for other people to enjoy.

No, rent is not tax.

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