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Re: Apple Passkey

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This is wonderful news! If anyone is interested in experimenting we built an API that makes it very simple to add WebAuthn (passkeys) to your existing web app. It’s available at https://passwordless.dev Note: We also maintain the open source fido2-net-lib, the API just lowers the friction for devs.

You might at least want to put a warning there for people who access the page with unsupported browsers? There's nothing on the left of "⬅ Go ahead... click it." for me.

Re: Apple Passkey

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post #223

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> as a means to avoid locking 2FA to hardware Tying 2FA to hardware is for most of the common use cases a bad idea. Instead always use TOTP and keep the seed in a secure storage with multiple backups. If on top of that you like to keep it on your phone to generate the code that way, fine. But at that point you can destroy the phone and it doesn't matter, you'll still have access. > While I don't like passwords and un…

> Tying 2FA to hardware is for most of the common use cases a bad idea. For me, I don't consider that to be true. I have a Yubikey on my keyring, and a backup Yubikey in my safe. Losing my keys is an extremely rare thing (I've never actually lost my keys, closest I've come in the last 30 years is temporarily misplacing them or locking them inside). I'm happy enough to deal with losing my digital access (via 2FA) tea[…

Question for you about this as I've often considered it.

What is the life of a yubikey? Do they degrade over time horizons?

The reason I ask is that if you have a backup that you never hope to use it's likely to be accessed only very rarely - which makes me kind of wonder what if your primary yubikey fails in 15 years due to natural wear/tear/degradation due to the passage of time and your backup has succumbed to the same problem due to being just as old?

Re: Apple Passkey

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> Tying 2FA to hardware is for most of the common use cases a bad idea. For me, I don't consider that to be true. I have a Yubikey on my keyring, and a backup Yubikey in my safe. Losing my keys is an extremely rare thing (I've never actually lost my keys, closest I've come in the last 30 years is temporarily misplacing them or locking them inside). I'm happy enough to deal with losing my digital access (via 2FA) tea[…

> I'm happy enough to deal with losing my digital access (via 2FA) temporarily under the same sort of circumstances where I've lost my keys. To me the critical difference would be that my house keys are single purpose and only serve at a single location. I lost/broke keys a few times in my life, and the only issue was to wait outside the house for a few hours. I didn't need to authorize 3d secure transactions when pa…

Absolutely this. I can lose my wallet - I know how much that's realistically going to cost me and I'm protected against fraud and theft regardless, save for the headache of making a few phone calls.

The world really hasn't appropriately quantified our reliance on little black fondleslabs.

Re: Apple Passkey

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post #287

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You should have a third in a safety deposit box at a bank or other offsite location. The issue is if you have a fire and both your keys are melted, you're f'ed.

But the entire issue is that needing to enroll all your keys every time you gain access to a new service is directly at odds with keeping one copy/key in a second, safe location. If there were one more layer of abstraction where all N of my keys prove that I'm "me" (or proves that I'm some entity) and the "me"-ness is the principal that gains access, that would be nice, but that's directly at odds with not wanting to…

That's an issue of the implementation, not of the concept of hardware 2fA. With SSH keys, you don't need them around to enroll them, as they use public key cryptography. I can point someone else to github.com/est31.keys and they can give me ssh access. The actual ssh keys can reside on hardware.

For some reason, this use case was not considered for Webauthn.

Re: Apple Passkey

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Maybe only tangentially related, but does anyone user Apple Keychain as their primary password manager? Is that even a viable option if you're completely within the Apple ecosystem?

Yes I started using Keychain exclusively after the LastPass app got progressively shittier. No issues so far, and really no differences. Even tells you when something gets compromised.

Re: Apple Passkey

#346

Maybe only tangentially related, but does anyone user Apple Keychain as their primary password manager? Is that even a viable option if you're completely within the Apple ecosystem?

Yeah, I use it for most logins. Quite capable and entirely free.

Re: Apple Passkey

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post #345

Maybe only tangentially related, but does anyone user Apple Keychain as their primary password manager? Is that even a viable option if you're completely within the Apple ecosystem?

Yes I started using Keychain exclusively after the LastPass app got progressively shittier. No issues so far, and really no differences. Even tells you when something gets compromised.

Any tips on transferring data from e.g. LastPass to Keychain? Also, are you now tied in to Safari on all devices or is it interoperable with other browsers at all?

Re: Apple Passkey

#348
post #241

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>Currently you need remember to register at least 2 security keys, in case one is lost/misplaced. This is always my issue with 2FA or passwordless auth. You're forced to have 2 devices and are kind of screwed if you don't hvae two on you. I was on a trip and broke my iPhone. It had my plane tickets on it to get home. I was able to get a replacement from Apple, they just gave it to me and sent me on my way. When I tur…

>"I'm also not a fan of my phone becoming my identity." I see that many people are slowly moving this direction and just can't fathom why do they fall for this corporate trap.

Convenience. It's the reason for most mass-market uptake.

Re: Apple Passkey

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post #345

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Yes I started using Keychain exclusively after the LastPass app got progressively shittier. No issues so far, and really no differences. Even tells you when something gets compromised.

Any tips on transferring data from e.g. LastPass to Keychain? Also, are you now tied in to Safari on all devices or is it interoperable with other browsers at all?

There’s a csv import and export, it’s supposed to be compatible with things like 1password, chrome and a few others.

Re: Apple Passkey

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post #345

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Yes I started using Keychain exclusively after the LastPass app got progressively shittier. No issues so far, and really no differences. Even tells you when something gets compromised.

Any tips on transferring data from e.g. LastPass to Keychain? Also, are you now tied in to Safari on all devices or is it interoperable with other browsers at all?

I'm not sure if there is an actual transfer available. I just gradually accreted passwords into Keychain by having LastPass on normally, and then accepting the prompt when Safari asked me to save the password.

iCloud passwords works with Chrome and Edge on Windows but generally yeah you need to be all-in on Safari :V

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