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Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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While I was waiting for my Framework laptop, the digits 1-9 on my six year old Macbook Air died. This was summer 2021. I discovered when my laptop got hot, the digits worked again. So I wrote a script just adding numbers and started it up when the digits died again. But after about three months this didn't work anymore.

I started up Ukulele and remapped the keyboard that when I pressed alt-key below the digit I got the digit (alt-Q = 1 and so on). This worked surprising well, after about one week my muscle memory switched. However I lost the ability to work with my wife's laptop.

Now my Framework laptop is here and I had unlearn this trick and this took more time, about four weeks.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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I would have kept the same hardware forever too, but for some reason my tools seem to take more and more resources every year. Silly example is gmail, which loaded in 1s on my 2011 MacBook Pro when new, if it load it again today (I just tried) it takes 35 seconds before I can click anything. Another might be everyone’s favourite software to hate on: Teams. On my 2011 MacBook Pro: fans squealing, UI of the OS becomes…

That seems strange. I run multiple older computers, Core 2 Duo CPUS, 4GB RAM, cheapest possible SSD. They load gmail fine in about 5-7 seconds. And I have 67,000+ unread messages and multiple gmail addons installed too. 35 Seconds before you can click on anything seems crazy.

I also find it strange - my Core 2 Duo[1] has 2GB RAM and spinning rust HDD (no SSD) and gmail loads in about 10s.

[1] I'm still using this laptop productively throughout our regular brownouts. It takes a bit of time to boot, but from login window to a completed WindowMaker startup (with a few xterms on startup + wicd app) it takes about a second.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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Give yourself extra life. Buy the best tools you can. Don't let virtues learned by necessity become the vices that suck up your lifetime. You'll never get the time back that you spend working on unimportant projects, sustaining old builds, placating unhappy people, working on slow computers, etc. Unless it's the fastest way for you to deliver whatever good you have to the world, put it aside, especially if you've inv…

"Don't let virtues learned by necessity become the vices that suck up your lifetime."

I really like this line. It resonates with me as this quote from Henri Bergson (from memory, can't find exact quote) ~ "tools we use become a burden when the environment that we used them within, no longer exists"

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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Congrats on not contributing to making out planet a giant electronic dumpster!

My first laptop is from 2009 (ouch). It's a Samsung 17"3, with an Intel core duo, something like 4GB RAM and some ATI Radeon GPU. Though I'm not the primary user anymore, it still works well enough (main annoyance in that I broke the W key and never bothered fixing it). The only upgrade I have ever done is replacing the disk with a SSD after it broke (the computer felt from a table). The battery is completely dead now, so it mostly has become a desktop computer (which is fine, it's pretty big anyway, and an external keyboard/mouse are nice too, given the touchpad is shit and the keyboard is a bit broken).

It costed my parents 700€ (I'm in France), so even at the time it was not a very high end computer. It has served me well, and now my wife. I'm thinking of retiring it, maybe transform it into a server by removing the screen and the keyboard.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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I realize different context, but I'm curious how many other HNers do the same as me: I haven't had a fully new personal desktop computer since ~2001. Since I originally built it, it's undergone dozens of upgrades: close to a half dozen motherboards, a few more CPUs, several GPUs, lots of RAM, drives, etc. I think 3 cases, and at least that many power supplies. But it was never all at one time. I definitely did a coup…

The last "new" computer I bought was a laptop in 2011. A 13-inch Macbook Pro with a 2nd gen i7. After that, I've always bought used, as the place where I'm in right now, the people prefer the newest shit, so I happily buy their used laptops for cheaps. Mind you, these are T480 Thinkpads that people are selling for very cheap in order to buy the latest.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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Not a computer per se, but I bought a good rice cooker in China in 2014. Not overly expensive (around 40 dollar) and much better than I could buy at home.

It stopped working in 2019 with some error code. Unable to go just go to china for a decent replacement (and the ridiculous shipping and china-local-product export tax, think 200 dollars) we thought let's give repairing it a go. After consulting friends and using online translation tools to dig through the manual, we found out that the temperature sensor was not giving a correct response.

Okay, so what is wrong. Using a screwdriver and the right amount of force, we managed to open up the plastic encasing of the rice cooker.

After going through the electronics, we noticed the wire from the board going to the lid of the cooker was, well, bent. Think like a thin speaker wire making a 90 degree turn. Well, that can't be right.

After cutting out the problem, soldering back the two wires and closing it off with some tape, it actually came back to life. It has since been working without other problems.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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My personal machine is the first and only new computer I ever bought: a 2012 Mac book air. I wanted to get a pro but couldn't justify the price. I took it in to get the battery replaced a couple of years ago instead of upgrading, again, I couldn't justify the price. I think I'll probably get the battery replaced again soon as it's started to falter. For the stuff I do in my spare time this machine is totally adequate…

> My personal machine is the first and only new computer I ever bought: a 2012 Mac book air. This is the single Apple computer that I have fully operational. Anything made under Tim Cook - MBPs, iMac - lasted for up to 4 years before either too expensive to fix hardware failures occurred or Apple artificially slowed down those devices by blocking the ability to install non-newest macOS which made those devices too sl…

I also have that MacBook Air, fully functional including battery. It has only been used occasionally and lasts for a couple of hours, but nothing has been replaced and it’s still my casual personal laptop (I use another machine for work). I was tempted to get the M1 pro MacBooks, but just can’t make myself replace this one - it’s been so good to me.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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My desktop is a 2012 iMac that I got second hand in 2015. One RAM and spinny->SSD upgrade a few years after, and it's been going well since.

My personal laptop is a Dell XPS 13 that I think is now 10 years old and has never had an upgrade.

On both those, I don't keep any data for long before making sure it's backed up - I'm expecting a disk failure soon. Also the fan on the iMac makes audible spinny noises. But backups are good practice anyway, so that's a win.

I only just stopped using an external monitor that was so old it had a sticker on the front proudly boasting it had a HDMI port - fancy!

There are comments about investing in your tools here - and I think it's a balance. Yes, if you don't have the right tools your work will suffer. But the skills it takes to keep something running can themselves be valuable. And reducing e-waste is a good thing for many reasons, such as the climate crisis.

Away from computing, I just upgraded to a Canon mirrorless camera. A second hand shop had a body only model for way cheaper than it should be. I took a chance and got it, because I've seen their pricing go very weird on niche items before and I reckoned this was a similar case. (Most people looking for a camera from that shop would be after one with a lens - the seller should really have picked a different place to sell.) Turns out the sensor was filthy - but one cleaning kit later and it's doing fine.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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I used my i7 920 from 2007 till 2016 with only the GPU changed from 4870x2 to R9 280. The reason I changed is intermittent problem with booting because of RAM not being detected. I am still using the replacement till now an i7 6700K with 32GB RAM and SSD and I feel I wont be changing it for a while since it is fast for it needs to do.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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Give yourself extra life. Buy the best tools you can. Don't let virtues learned by necessity become the vices that suck up your lifetime. You'll never get the time back that you spend working on unimportant projects, sustaining old builds, placating unhappy people, working on slow computers, etc. Unless it's the fastest way for you to deliver whatever good you have to the world, put it aside, especially if you've inv…

It's interesting and very sad how all the comments seem to ignore completely the positive impact of repairing on the environment :( No wonder why we are in such a bad situation now.

For me, this is one of the main (subconscious) reasons why I stick with old tech for as long as I can. It is really frustrating to imagine a computer I would "throw away" to literally land on a landfill and rot there. In reality, this is not quite how it goes -- some parts get recycled; students in my country (Estonia) are currently refurbishing donated laptops for Ukrainian war refugees, etc.

But there still is a lot of electronic waste in junkyards. Thinking about this always makes me feel like a loser -- because I have neither the skills nor the time (nor even the need, considering that I already have all the necessary gear for daily life!) to repair as much of that stuff as I could. Junk is nasty and embarrassing. We have a lot of junk.

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