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Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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post #119

Give yourself extra life. Buy the best tools you can. Don't let virtues learned by necessity become the vices that suck up your lifetime. You'll never get the time back that you spend working on unimportant projects, sustaining old builds, placating unhappy people, working on slow computers, etc. Unless it's the fastest way for you to deliver whatever good you have to the world, put it aside, especially if you've inv…

While I agree with the general sentiment, I think this can be nuanced.

By that I mean that always keeping up with the latest and greatest can be overrated, [0] and actually be quite a huge time sink to keep looking for a new computer and / or new parts, compare them, etc. Sure, if you only buy the latest MBP that's easy, since there's not much to choose from. But it is expensive, and it's not always worth it.

I'd been working all through the pandemic lockdowns on an i5-6500 I had saved from the bin at work. Old SATA SSD from ~2012, 16 then 32 GB RAM. Integrated HD graphics (not the newer UHD).

I never felt held back by it, it would chug along nicely through pretty much everything I threw at it. The only thing for which I had to wait around a bit was Rust compilation.

Then at the end of last year, my work laptop was up for renewal. So I spent around a week comparing models, looking up on intel vs amd, etc. In the end, I ended up with a zen 3 model. While the CPU is fast, in my day-to-day I see no difference compared to the old one. It compiles some of my Rust projects almost twice as fast, but it's still not instant, and I don't wait around for full compiles anyway. [1]

Aside from that, Teams, web pages, etc, there's absolutely no difference in perceived performance.

I get that this is less extreme than OP's situation, but I guess the point is that they maybe shouldn't go to the other extreme and upgrade with each new CPU that comes out. I also realize that up until last year or so Intel CPU upgrades didn't bump performance all that much.

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[0] Yes, some people absolutely need the last drop of performance they can squeeze, by even among HN readers, I think those people are not the majority.

[1] Incremental Rust compiles were still somewhat slow on the AMD, but in the meantime I've found out about mold, which speeds things up nicely even on the old machine.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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post #67
post #8

I would have kept the same hardware forever too, but for some reason my tools seem to take more and more resources every year. Silly example is gmail, which loaded in 1s on my 2011 MacBook Pro when new, if it load it again today (I just tried) it takes 35 seconds before I can click anything. Another might be everyone’s favourite software to hate on: Teams. On my 2011 MacBook Pro: fans squealing, UI of the OS becomes…

I know this isn't your main point, but for GMail there's always "Basic HTML view": https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/1pq68r75kzvdr/?v%3Dlui

To be pedantic, the correct URL is technically https://mail.google.com/mail/h/, which then expands in practice to https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/ and then gets the jumble of characters near the end added on which appears to be an everything-compliant cache-busting mechanism. When typing the URL manually the "/" after the "h" is required; "mail.google.com/mail/h" will not work.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this isn't your main point, but for GMail there's always "Basic HTML view": https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/1pq68r75kzvdr/?v%3Dlui

The fact is the normal view used to be very fast even on the hardware of the era. Nowadays normal view has the same functionalities but is much slower even on modern hardware.

My gmail was great on my commodity 2010 Windows laptop until a couple of months ago, and then it suddenly fell off a cliff. I've tried everything I can think of, but I think Google just messed something up and made it at least an order of magnitude slower quite recently.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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My personal machine is the first and only new computer I ever bought: a 2012 Mac book air. I wanted to get a pro but couldn't justify the price. I took it in to get the battery replaced a couple of years ago instead of upgrading, again, I couldn't justify the price. I think I'll probably get the battery replaced again soon as it's started to falter. For the stuff I do in my spare time this machine is totally adequate…

> My personal machine is the first and only new computer I ever bought: a 2012 Mac book air. This is the single Apple computer that I have fully operational. Anything made under Tim Cook - MBPs, iMac - lasted for up to 4 years before either too expensive to fix hardware failures occurred or Apple artificially slowed down those devices by blocking the ability to install non-newest macOS which made those devices too sl…

I've had the opposite experience - my 2011 MBP died (due to dodgy graphics chip, logic board was replaced twice and it still died a third time), replaced it with a mid-2015 and it's been super solid. I did finally have to replace the battery last year for like $200 but it's running Monterey like a champ. Still my primary work machine with no signs of giving up yet.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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That's a very nice lifetime for a build; you should be proud. Though I can't imagine using a 5400 RPM HDD today. 7200 RPM or bust, I'm spoiled… > When was the last time you gave something extra life instead of throwing it away? Ugh, unfortunately I'm at "throw it away", basically. My current build, built in 2011, won't stay powered up. It gets anywhere from a few seconds to a few hours (and sometimes days) and then i…

You do realize that the only benefit by having a higher rotational speed is improved rotational latency, right? A 2 terabyte 5400 RPM drive is going to transfer data much faster than a 36 gig 10,000 RPM drive.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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All machines get extra lives!

- 2004 custom dual boot gaming desktop is running FreeNAS at a friend's house

- 2007 custom desktop survived until 2019 when a power surge fried the motherboard, memory and PSU. I repurposed the case and drives (which survived!)

- 2011 MBP is really one of the best. Replaced the battery, memory and display over the years. Now dedicated shared kids machine because parental controls are super simple for all adults

- 2015 MBP is my personal laptop for freelance work, learning, etc. Will most likely repurpose it as the kids shared laptop after I do a battery replacement. The 2011 will then migrate to storage until I'm sure I won't need things like a CD/DVD drive, SDXC card slot, Thunderbolt port, Firewire, Ethernet, etc.

- 2009 Samsung SyncMaster 23" is still used as a secondary monitor

- 2007 Razer mouse still used today

- 2012 (?) original RaspberryPi is my wireless print and scanning server

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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I'm still using my 2012 13" MBP for works, some things already breaking like the battery is now only last for an hour most and the speaker is damaged I think. So I'm always plugged my MBP to charger and use headset for any audio related activity.

The other issue that have been bugging me would be a slow time when building an app and the constant need to empty my SSD since it only has 128GB to begin with.

But this year I think I need to replace my laptop since I'm no longer able to use the latest xcode on this machine (I'm stuck at macOS Catalina).

Other than that, this laptop can be used for any lighter activity such as browsing, editing docs, etc.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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post #38

I still have a 2008 Mac Pro (tower). At the time it was possible to order the bottom of the line system and add your own memory, video and drives, just like a "normal" PC. I think it cost about $3000 new which was still the most I'd ever paid for a computer. Picked it up from an Apple store. I used it as a home workstation for work and music and a gaming rig by dual booting to windows -- which no longer works. Did a…

I do hate the obsolescence - in my case it's 100% the device vendor's fault. Had some great Firewire interfaces, they worked fine in Mojave, but when that went out of support I couldn't keep it back because I use it as a work machine so I really need to keep on top of security updates. (I still do have an install on an external drive for messing about but it's a lot of friction to jump back into that).

As far as I can tell, literally all the vendor would need to do is re-compile the drivers and sign them. But they just say "Sorry, it's end of life so we won't bother". So my perfectly functional hardware doesn't work on any recent Mac OS or Windows versions anymore...

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this isn't your main point, but for GMail there's always "Basic HTML view": https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/1pq68r75kzvdr/?v%3Dlui

The fact is the normal view used to be very fast even on the hardware of the era. Nowadays normal view has the same functionalities but is much slower even on modern hardware.

I used basic view for a while, and didn't miss any of the advanced features. What made me stop was the fact it inserts newlines into messages to keep lines below 70 characters. (I guess this is in line with the RFC, but my recipients didn't like it.)
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