If you’re working 20% less than your competitor, you will fall behind. There’s no amount of mental gymnastics one can do to reconcile that fact. And if true, then the market should resolve this.
A six-month program in Britain will assess the effects of a shorter workweek
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#32Some time last year I stopped working Mondays. I’m a contractor and I know my boss well, so I just said that I didn’t want to work Mondays any more. The difference is remarkable. You go from spending three quarters of your days at work to just over half. The weekend is actually relaxing. You can do chores, relax, and really unwind before the work week starts again. We use Mondays to work on our side projects. You can…
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#33Also a lot of jobs have enough flex hours and vacation that it's close enough to 4 days/week anyway. The downside of shorter workweeks is it may cause a loss of productivity at the endpoints of the week. For example, there is often a marked slowdown on the Thursdays and Mondays before and after 3-day weekends. So you are not just losing an extra day but more like 1.5 days due to slowdowns and loss of productivity.
I suspect it gets worse around public holidays because that's a break from routine.
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#34Shrinkflation? Working people can't afford to drive to work 5 times a week.
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#35Some time last year I stopped working Mondays. I’m a contractor and I know my boss well, so I just said that I didn’t want to work Mondays any more. The difference is remarkable. You go from spending three quarters of your days at work to just over half. The weekend is actually relaxing. You can do chores, relax, and really unwind before the work week starts again. We use Mondays to work on our side projects. You can…
I personally find my weekends a bit exhausting because of my 5 year old, and get to relax at just doing my professional job on Monday when he is back to school. I fear that 3 day weekends every week (since we shouldn’t leave day care workers and teachers out of this) would be the end of me. I’m sure my perspective will change after we are out of the needy kid stage, but even before my son was born, I liked working (I…
But I'd hope that for many parents, having a day with neither work nor childcare might be an opportunity, might be appreciated, might be a time, finally, where you can rediscover & do some you.
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#36I wonder what the perspective of other people who run businesses or manage teams are on this subject? I have managed teams at top tech companies in bay area in the past (although switched back to an engineering position recently). Regardless of the company, I have always wondered why everyone around me is working so slowly. Things that a good engineer should be able to do in a day gets done in a month or more. When w…
Step 2: Make everything asynchronous, so no one starts any bit of work or sub-sub-phase without permission/documentation/merge review
Step 3: Hold regular status meetings
This will make tasks that should take four people sitting in a room six hours to complete take a month or more, every time, guaranteed.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I personally find my weekends a bit exhausting because of my 5 year old, and get to relax at just doing my professional job on Monday when he is back to school. I fear that 3 day weekends every week (since we shouldn’t leave day care workers and teachers out of this) would be the end of me. I’m sure my perspective will change after we are out of the needy kid stage, but even before my son was born, I liked working (I…
If you really just want escape from life, then maybe more personal time is bad & lots of work time is good. But I'd hope that for many parents, having a day with neither work nor childcare might be an opportunity, might be appreciated, might be a time, finally, where you can rediscover & do some you.
Daycare is great for the kid. The teachers can provide much more attention and direction on things that I simply can’t, and he really gets a leg up on social skills being with other kids, not just mom and dad. Spending long stretches at home with just mom and dad (and given COVID, without many play dates), he tends to become a bit wild…three day weekends or week offs aren’t just harder in a linear manner.
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#38While I could certainly get the same amount of work done in 4 stressful days I'm currently getting done in a leisurely 5, I'd rather have the latter. I'd honestly probably rather work 6 even more leisurely days, it's not like I'm not just messing around on the computer anyway.
Some of us have a life and interests outside work.
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#39I wonder what the perspective of other people who run businesses or manage teams are on this subject? I have managed teams at top tech companies in bay area in the past (although switched back to an engineering position recently). Regardless of the company, I have always wondered why everyone around me is working so slowly. Things that a good engineer should be able to do in a day gets done in a month or more. When w…
I agree a lot that intrinsic motivation is key, changes everything, and I think this is a widescale struggle. But while the motivation is intrinsic, the survival rate of intrinsic motivation is deeply governed by the organization. Many many decent-size and/or moderately-mature organizations create resistance, ongoingly tax motivation, sap our will & sense that we can influence things, can change things, can take control.
Preserving your team's sense of agency is paramount, but almost always fucked over. The rest of the org (that isn't doing the actual labor) constantly worries, constantly wants to make sure things are going ok, frets & wants to do things when the waterfall product-roadmap isn't going as they hoped or expected. If things are happening off the roadmap, outside of the top-down plan, well, you betcha there's gonna be a lot of meetings & discussions. The company's extrinsic desires are what matters: you, the human resource, are there to crank out the expected work at a predictable rate. Got it? Good. Now stay intrinsically motivated & go tackle the work we've given you!
Very few organizations give their employees real license to do good things, to tackle the work well & encompass broad wins. Doing obviously good & great things might impact the roadmap! Oh no!
In short, there's too many "decision makers," too much management deciding, and too many people checking in & trying to help make sure everyone is spending their times wisely, that "there's not something we can do to speed this up". There's a lot of would-be highly productive people in most orgs, except the org itself is medium/low-performance, eats away & erodes at the sense of autonomy & mastery & purpose (not a huge Daniel Pink fan but this continues to be a good set of dimensions) that are integral to maintaining high output.
Often in many orgs, there's an informal social agreement that some vaunted select people can just do whatever & we'll trust them, but everyone else gets the regular employee treatment. You have to slay the backlog for a couple quarters, non-stop, do only product work, and then you're off the hook.
External factors confound confound confound the intrinsic motivation that we need desperately to keep fueled & stoked. There's so few people who can sympathize or go with us as we do good things, as we set ourselves & the product up for future success, beyond just getting the mundane features cranked out. There's constant skepticism about the 10x hacker, who gets great accolades & is celebrated in the org, but leaves behind them a wake of messy & terrible systems: this too speaks to the visible versus invisible pieces of our job, about what the extrinsic motivators look like and what intrinsically drives a hacker.
Software is massive, & tending to this realm & keeping it technically healthy is largely invisible labor that the organization often lacks competence to see or assess. We're rated superficially, based off the tip of the iceberg that is visible, and come to feel we're living in our own shadows of greatness, unseen, hidden. Yes, the Hacker can continue to find good tasks, good work, to define their own success & enjoy chomping through tasks with abandon. But I see, so often, the distance & dissonance grows, and doing good deeds rarely seems to get easier over time in most orgs. I think there is huge potential in many many people to be high performing, to engage avidly & actively, but the organization & it's quest for certainty, it's drive for reliable consistent output- it's desire to understand while clearly never understanding- quell the ability to work well, to create high-performance.
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#40Shrinkflation? Working people can't afford to drive to work 5 times a week.
Is anyone actually doing that again?
Even the state sponsored channel CBC is doing stories on Canadians going Hungary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0llGY9CDrnw