Glad we (Stormpulse) made the decision to build our own mapping system.
Off topic, but your site is awesome.
Google warns that rate limits, overage fees are coming to Maps API
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Re: Google warns that rate limits, overage fees are coming to Maps API
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with you that Google's Apps pricing is steep, but I don't think they're marketing it towards the average guy who just wants a couple of email accounts for his personal site. I think they're marketing it towards businesses and schools who see $50/acct/yr as pennies compared to hosting their own email server, hiring a sysadmin (or telling their current admin to handle it), and then supporting that server all da…
$50/acct/year comes to $4.16/acct/month. If your staff's use of email isn't in someway contributing to making more then $4.16/month you should probably just fire them, or not give them an email address in the first place.
50 users @ 4.16$ / month = 208$ / month subtracting 50$ / month in HW and bandwidth you left your admins with about 3 hours of work @50$ an hour including overhead. Sorry, most admins spend more than 3 hours a month dealing with internal email at small companies. (Troubleshooting, offsite backups, SPAM, logs etc.)
Re: Google warns that rate limits, overage fees are coming to Maps API
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with you that Google's Apps pricing is steep, but I don't think they're marketing it towards the average guy who just wants a couple of email accounts for his personal site. I think they're marketing it towards businesses and schools who see $50/acct/yr as pennies compared to hosting their own email server, hiring a sysadmin (or telling their current admin to handle it), and then supporting that server all da…
$50/acct/year comes to $4.16/acct/month. If your staff's use of email isn't in someway contributing to making more then $4.16/month you should probably just fire them, or not give them an email address in the first place.
I'm talking about places where maybe 10 people really need email and 100 other maybe once a week if that. You can definitely justify the cost for those 10 people, but not for the other 100.
If you could mix and match free and non-free accounts this would work great, but you can't. Again, I'm talking about companies with razor thin margins where the technology side is not super important. What do they do now? They mainly use free gmail/live/yahoo accounts.
Re: Google warns that rate limits, overage fees are coming to Maps API
#34Glad we (Stormpulse) made the decision to build our own mapping system.
Why haven't I heard of you? Are you b2b or gov't supplier? Very nice site.
Re: Google warns that rate limits, overage fees are coming to Maps API
#35They say the premiere service will be cheaper than the overage. http://www.google.com/enterprise/earthmaps/maps-compare.html Unfortunately, they don't list pricing in an obvious way.
10,000$ per million page views per year. So it's 10$ per 1000, more than the 8$ or 4$ per 1000 that was announced.
I don't know any big site that gets more than 10$ per 1000 pageviews with ads. It's insane!
Re: Google warns that rate limits, overage fees are coming to Maps API
#36I remember in the 90s when we lambasted Microsoft for cornering markets with free products (IE) so they could drive out the competition (Netscape) and eventually start charging for them when we had no other choice. Luckily that never really happened, Microsoft never started charging for IE. While Google isn't exactly doing that here, it's coming awfully close.
When you can't innovate anymore, you increase your prices. After a few years, the company becomes a dinosaur loaded with cash... like Microsoft.
Re: Google warns that rate limits, overage fees are coming to Maps API
#37They say the premiere service will be cheaper than the overage. http://www.google.com/enterprise/earthmaps/maps-compare.html Unfortunately, they don't list pricing in an obvious way.
10,000$ per million page views per year. So it's 10$ per 1000, more than the 8$ or 4$ per 1000 that was announced. I don't know any big site that gets more than 10$ per 1000 pageviews with ads. It's insane!
that can't be right. the limits here get you 25k*365=9,125,000 views per year for free.
Re: Google warns that rate limits, overage fees are coming to Maps API
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
$50/acct/year comes to $4.16/acct/month. If your staff's use of email isn't in someway contributing to making more then $4.16/month you should probably just fire them, or not give them an email address in the first place.
I'm talking about places where maybe 10 people really need email and 100 other maybe once a week if that. You can definitely justify the cost for those 10 people, but not for the other 100. If you could mix and match free and non-free accounts this would work great, but you can't. Again, I'm talking about companies with razor thin margins where the technology side is not super important. What do they do now? They mai…
You can in fact mix and match - you can use Google Apps on top of a corporate system such as Exchange for only specific users. It's unlikely to save you any money since you'll then need someone to run it, but it's possible.
As things stand at the moment the company I'm working for is in exactly that boat of some staff depending on email, and others only needing to retrieve a single email on each day they're working. We're working around it right now by just getting them to give us their personal email address.
That probably won't scale long term, but for now it does the job, and if we get to the point of needing more then I may just throw together a quick and dirty mail server for the people who don't need the convenience of Google Apps syncing between devices for them.
Re: Google warns that rate limits, overage fees are coming to Maps API
#39This has an MBA-in-charge smell about it. I'm not certain how many GMap implementations there are that exceed a 25k/day load, but my back-of-the-napkin guesstimation is But, those are exactly the sites that I want using my maps, instead of Yahoo or Bing or some other provider. Unless there's something I'm missing, this seems penny-wise and pound-foolish.
There's actually not a huge benefit to Google in my site using Google Maps instead of Yahoo Maps. There is a branding benefit for sure, but there are no links to Google services, no ads, or anything like that. I've been wondering for a long time when this would come- the processing (getting directions, geocoding, etc) and bandwidth (for map images) demands must be huge, with comparatively little payback. It'll be int…
> I've been wondering for a long time when this would come- the processing (getting directions, geocoding, etc) and bandwidth (for map images) demands must be huge, with comparatively little payback.
I'm more thinking about the costs of developing the software and gathering the data. And also the perceived _value_ of the data, independent from its costs. Ever tried to buy the kind of data Google uses on their backend, with terms of use that would support the kind of services Google offers? Good luck--both with terms and then with pricing. Other companies have been charging a fortune for this data.
> It'll be interesting to see how many big operations pay up, and how many switch. To an extent switching might be futile- if Google can't afford to keep the maps offering free, do you really think Yahoo can?
Regardless of whether they can, with Google pulling back, don't you think Yahoo et al. will want to raise their prices?
Re: Google warns that rate limits, overage fees are coming to Maps API
#40" - the "JavaScript API or the static maps API will be capped at 25,000 map loads per day. - They will be expected to pay a fee of $4 per thousand loads in excess of the limit. - The cap is set to 2,500 loads for styled maps that customize the presentation. - After 25,000 loads, the overage fee for styled maps will bump up to $8 per thousand. " That is no joke, a $4 - $8 CPM on map loads means your app has to be doin…
Not exactly. If you use 30,000 a day you will pay $20, or only $0.66 per one thousand. They are giving you over 9 million requests a year for free. Its not unreasonable to expect the profit from that to help subsidize the excess,
Sure, if you plan on staying small and never growing, this is fine. But you can't build your site for growth staring at the edge of an $4-8/CPM marginal cost (in addition to all your other overhead!).
$4-8/CPM is far more than most ad networks pay. Perhaps Google is deliberately trying to get rid of most major GMaps users. If they follow through on this, they will be successful.