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What kind of startup are you? Where do you want to use office? Who creates most of the content? I have worked at a company that started with Googledocs and ended with Markdown (paper / design docs) and reveal.js for presentations. And that is something I can take recommend. Why? Because it is simple text that can be stored in a repository and you gain the ability to compare versions. It is easy to change and you can…
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> I LAUGH at silly FUD like "you can't run a business without MSOffice", "You can't read documents ", "format compatibility problems!!", because that all is just FUD. Not really a FUD if you're dealing with Excel spreadsheets from other companies, especially those that uses integrations with Excel. However PowerPoint/Present compat is a hit-or-miss bother but not world-shuttering like with Excel though, and Word comp…
If you are disproving wide claims like "you can't run a business without MSOffice", even one contrary example is enough to make the claim invalid. Of course, I can imagine some scenarios where compatibility with a proprietary format world impede business processes, but I think that for a vast majority of businessess it is a non-issue. Regarding the presentation format, the One True Format is PDF.
That's not how rhetoric works. That is how logic works, but this is not a logical argument. One counterexample does not disprove the rhetorical claim that businesses do not run without Microsoft Office, because rhetorical claims are not hard logical claims. They are exemplar claims. They are to be backed up for most cases, and caveats will exist.
Rhetorically, most businesses do processing through Excell files. You will receive them from B2B partners. You will be required to send them to businesses and governments. They will have weird advanced features and logic embedded, and if you do not make use of all of the features and send something back to the other side that works perfectly, partners will drop you like a hot potato.
Logically, it is possible to run a business that has no interaction with B2B partners, one that chooses partners carefully to never interact with Microsoft customers, etc. Rhetorically, this limits the possibilities for your business vastly. Rhetorically, the solution space you limit yourself to with that one constraint is infinitesimal compared to the standard problem space with standard constraints.
All arguments are rhetorical. Some arguments are logical in form but without an absolute truth evaluation engine (which is logically but not rhetorically impossible) you cannot hope to evaluate them, since you'll be starting from some axioms. We cannot prove axioms, even within the pure spaces of logic and mathematics there are still axioms; you cannot prove a system using itself. This is the oft-cited and almost as oft misused (Rhetorically: always misused) incompleteness theorem: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompletenes...
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It is not about price. The usage experience on MSOffice is unpleasant enough to motivate seeking an alternative.
I think this is purely subjective. I never hear regular users (read: the non-technical user) complain about office. They tend to complain when something doesn’t work like office does. Folks in tech tend to be more worried about UI and UX and frankly tend to be nit picky when something doesn’t look or work like they would have designed it.
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If you are disproving wide claims like "you can't run a business without MSOffice", even one contrary example is enough to make the claim invalid. Of course, I can imagine some scenarios where compatibility with a proprietary format world impede business processes, but I think that for a vast majority of businessess it is a non-issue. Regarding the presentation format, the One True Format is PDF.
> If you are disproving wide claims like "you can't run a business without MSOffice", even one contrary example is enough to make the claim invalid. That's not how rhetoric works. That is how logic works, but this is not a logical argument. One counterexample does not disprove the rhetorical claim that businesses do not run without Microsoft Office, because rhetorical claims are not hard logical claims. They are exem…
I used Abiword and a lot of Gnumeric in the past. Now everything written in emacs, and then directly glued to postgresql, R or Perl. I hadn't opened an excel since... one decade maybe.
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I think this is purely subjective. I never hear regular users (read: the non-technical user) complain about office. They tend to complain when something doesn’t work like office does. Folks in tech tend to be more worried about UI and UX and frankly tend to be nit picky when something doesn’t look or work like they would have designed it.
In other words, the more ignorant someone is, the better they like it. That is not exactly a glowing endorsement.
I have seen a lot of software products fail over my career that was designed by developers who created UI that they liked and thought was the pinnacle of interface design. Users hated it. Most devs don’t think like regular users.
What kind of startup are you? Where do you want to use office? Who creates most of the content? I have worked at a company that started with Googledocs and ended with Markdown (paper / design docs) and reveal.js for presentations. And that is something I can take recommend. Why? Because it is simple text that can be stored in a repository and you gain the ability to compare versions. It is easy to change and you can…
What did they use instead of spreadsheets? Especially the non-technical staff.
It only makes sense of you can convince people.
There was thrift in my hometown, that was using excel to decide on the max credit for individuals. The document was copied and forked and the outcome was more random than anything. At least they could be convinced to introduce a database and a well written and maintained application, that does reliable work and provides the same output when given the same input.
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> If you are disproving wide claims like "you can't run a business without MSOffice", even one contrary example is enough to make the claim invalid. That's not how rhetoric works. That is how logic works, but this is not a logical argument. One counterexample does not disprove the rhetorical claim that businesses do not run without Microsoft Office, because rhetorical claims are not hard logical claims. They are exem…
Unrelated to the argument, but related to your arguing: you might enjoy "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance"
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Do you run Wayland, by any chance? Last I tried Wayland, Libreoffice simply crashed on startup.
I don't think I do, no. I'm really a fairly novice user, since I've only used Ubuntu here and there since 12.04 (I think) and not committing until 18.04, then switching to Debian Jesse with... I think it's GNOME. So basically the same thing as Ubuntu? I do wish I understood more about the underlying tech and window managers and such, because I know I could get more out of it all, but I really just follow poorly writt…
“To use the X11 backend by default, uncomment the WaylandEnable=false line in the /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf file.”
Offline - works fantastic tbh. Tons of experience on long haul flights