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I only care about the helpful notifications, not the promotional ones

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Re: I only care about the helpful notifications, not the promotional ones

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I highly recommend installing Buzzkill for those on Android. In addition to built-in per-channel settings, Buzzkill allows you to create rules to auto-dismiss or do certain actions depending on the title or description of the notification, using basic matching or regex. It also gives you a nicer view of notification history, with more days and scrubbing across time if you ever want to revisit past notifications. http…

Thank you. This is what I come to hacker news for.

Re: I only care about the helpful notifications, not the promotional ones

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If an app gives me spammy promotional notifications, it either A) gets uninstalled (if I don't particularly care about the app), B) gets a 1-star review with a clear comment about the notifications, or C) all of the above. The app I use to pay for parking spots suddenly gave me a notification once, apparently to try and get me to park my car more often or something. I gave it a one-star review, never saw one of those…

Can't you just disable notifications for the app? If you're on android you might just be able to disable the promotional notifications.

Yes, disabling promotional notifications is an option - except if the app developer applies the dark pattern described in the article. But even when it works, the app developer just goes on their merry way, annoying other people too. I believe it's better to send a signal, and educate developers about what we as users want.

Re: I only care about the helpful notifications, not the promotional ones

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I always relish in uninstalling apps when this happens but I hope they have stats somewhere that show: "oh, we sent this annoying marketing notification and an uninstall happens", and I hope some analyst is finding that pattern in their data and telling people about it. But I have to assume the answer is, 'probably not', given that nothing seems to change.

There's no uninstall event on iOS, and I believe the same is true of Android, so they won't see it directly. Disabling notifications is more likely to be noticed.

I believe some analytics frameworks used to send a silent push notification every day that made the app hit some endpoint, and becaues silent notifications can't be disabled that allowed them to measure uninstals. Apple may have fixed the security hole that allowed this, or told people to cut it out or they can't update their app anymore since I lasted looked into this though.

Re: I only care about the helpful notifications, not the promotional ones

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That sounds harsh. I kindly ask if they want to leave a review to support me in my app. What's wrong with that? Haven't received any complaints and I got a lot of nice reviews I presume I wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

What’s wrong with that? It’s fucking irritating. It’s not my job to do marketing for them, and frankly I resent constantly being asked for feedback on every interaction. I bought a lightbulb. Please rate it! I bought toilet paper. Please rate it! It’s like being around a really insecure person who’s constantly trying to win your favor. Just be a good person and it will happen, but try to do it and you make it way wor…

I provide a free game with no monetization and if they play more than an hour I ask if they would like to rate it. That's the only payment I get beyond donations. How is that unreasonable and worth giving me a 1 star for?

Re: I only care about the helpful notifications, not the promotional ones

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I deleted the Uber app and stopped using their service specifically because there was no way to turn off only their spammy marketing push notifications, and I didn't want to turn off all push and miss a ride, so there was no way for me to meaningfully use their service. It's ok, I have other options to get a ride.

I found a way to disable marketing notifications but it was buried in their menus. Settings > Privacy > Notifications. Definitely shouldn't be under privacy, that makes no sense.

It does make sense when privacy violating tactics are powering the notifications.

Come on uber your hidden agenda is showing!

Re: I only care about the helpful notifications, not the promotional ones

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I've noticed this in social networks as well. If you don't get enough transactional notifications for a while they start making up fake ones like Twitter's "in case you missed this Tweet", Facebook's "[someone] posted for the first time in a while", all the while lighting up the notifications badge. Leads to a "boy who cried wolf" scenario in which I stop trusting notifications entirely and just ignore them, possibly…

Linkedin is just the worst company ever doing stuff like that, I try to disable all their notifications and almost never engage with anything there (and I check the platform maybe 3-4 times a year max), and they continue to try to tell me some people more or less in my network are doing things I never cared about. God I hate this company.

My down folder is full of email from linked in that I gave tried to disable a handful of times and have now given up. How does any of their email still get accepted?

Re: I only care about the helpful notifications, not the promotional ones

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Linkedin is just the worst company ever doing stuff like that, I try to disable all their notifications and almost never engage with anything there (and I check the platform maybe 3-4 times a year max), and they continue to try to tell me some people more or less in my network are doing things I never cared about. God I hate this company.

My down folder is full of email from linked in that I gave tried to disable a handful of times and have now given up. How does any of their email still get accepted?

> How does any of their email still get accepted?

That’s also something I do not understand. I don’t get how their domain isn’t flagged everywhere with a very bad reputation given the amount of spam they produce.

Re: I only care about the helpful notifications, not the promotional ones

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It is reasonable to say you don't want ads. Unfortunately Uber has decided to say "too bad, what are you going to do about it?"

As my friend says about salary, it's only a negotiation if you're prepared to walk away.

Or unionize. In this case it would be to petition apple or the FCC or whatever.

Re: I only care about the helpful notifications, not the promotional ones

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My rule is: if I get a single notification that I find useless, I'll immediately disable that notification channel (I'm on Android; I'm not sure if iOS has a concept of channel-specific settings) for that app. Even if the channel can include useful notifications, as the article discusses. If the app doesn't bother to categorize its notifications into channels at all, I turn off its notifications entirely, and I won't…

You are more kind than I am. After one spam notification, a one star review is left and the app is removed.
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