I was going to start a rant about how this behavior is encouraged by the macho men online, but this was just one guy harassing her. "Due to harassment" reads as due to harassment from the community, but she gave in to one idiot. She let him win.
Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment
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Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
MikeeUSA frequently states dumb shit like "oh, women deserve to be raped since the day they first bleed because this is what God created women for" and other shit. He does it purely for the sake of trolling, and people periodically bite the trollbait. Is this illegal? No. Should he be beaten with in an inch of his life? Yes. Is that going to happen outside of a prison? Probably not, no one is quite sure of his exact…
He's not the problem though. The problem is people being offended by it or taking the bait. Ban, ignore, report, shun etc... Setting up a geek feminist movement is pretty much the worst thing you could do if you wanted the abuse to stop.
Please read this post: http://geekfeminism.org/2011/10/11/online-harassment-as-a-da...
Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment
#63Unfortunately, this is not the first time this sort of reprehensible behavior has cost the tech community good talent. Kathy Sierra comes to mind. Other notables (male and female) have recently removed their presence from the internet. Although it isn't always clear why, I'd speculate some sort of harassment was at play there too.
Welcome to the Internet. As Paul Vixie pointed out ages ago: "The Internet is not for sissies."
Trolls are almost as old as the net, and they are not going to disappear without something short of a big-brother state that makes the Great Firewall Of China look like kids play.
So better get used to it.
Also remember:
"Liberty resides in the rights of that person whose views you find most odious." — John Stuart Mill
[Disclaimer: I have often been labeled a troll, and I'm not offended by this label.]
Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment
#64Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment
#65Trolls exist on the internet. Bayley is just supporting negative stereotypes about how women can't handle the pressure when she lets a troll get the best of her and changes her whole life because of him.
Excuse me? At what point do you stop calling someone a "troll" and start calling them a "stalker"? Perhaps the harassment she received was so much that changing her whole life greatly improves her quality of life. Is she still "just supporting negative stereotypes" then?
Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment
#66I was going to start a rant about how this behavior is encouraged by the macho men online, but this was just one guy harassing her. "Due to harassment" reads as due to harassment from the community, but she gave in to one idiot. She let him win.
I pointed this out to another poster: http://geekfeminism.org/2011/10/11/online-harassment-as-a-da...
Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment
#67No disagreement with the basic, point, but was a bit surprised by this quote: "So, here's our situation. We have a man (presumably; at any rate he appears to want to be identified as such) in the Australian Linux community, who targets women by sending them private abusive emails from a throwaway address and with a name that can't readily be connected to any publicly known member of the community. His ISP won't hand…
MikeeUSA frequently states dumb shit like "oh, women deserve to be raped since the day they first bleed because this is what God created women for" and other shit. He does it purely for the sake of trolling, and people periodically bite the trollbait. Is this illegal? No. Should he be beaten with in an inch of his life? Yes. Is that going to happen outside of a prison? Probably not, no one is quite sure of his exact…
Who decides whether he gets the beating, and who administers it?
Sounds like a step backward in civilization to me.
Should we ignore this kind of problem? No. Should we go full vigilante on it? No.
Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment
#68Men have to put up with such abuse harassment and dickery all the time online. Welcome to the internet. Unfortunately us men can't just play the "sexism" card.
No. No, we don't. I've been online for years, and men never get this particular kind of tripe thrown in their faces. It's a pretty unique kind of anger that comes out.
Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment
#69This sort of behavior coming from members of the Australian FOSS community is unfortunately somewhat of a consistent underbelly.
I used to help run and host the local LUG chapter in Sydney for a few years. One particular meeting I had to ask a speaker to leave the premises (hosted in my employers building) for displaying bared breasts during his talk. Unsurprisingly, people walked out. So much of this sort of shit goes on and it's ugly, ugly, ugly.
Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment
#70Trolls exist on the internet. Bayley is just supporting negative stereotypes about how women can't handle the pressure when she lets a troll get the best of her and changes her whole life because of him.
Excuse me? At what point do you stop calling someone a "troll" and start calling them a "stalker"? Perhaps the harassment she received was so much that changing her whole life greatly improves her quality of life. Is she still "just supporting negative stereotypes" then?
I think the point is that men have to put up with such shit all the time online.