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Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment

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Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment

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No disagreement with the basic, point, but was a bit surprised by this quote: "So, here's our situation. We have a man (presumably; at any rate he appears to want to be identified as such) in the Australian Linux community, who targets women by sending them private abusive emails from a throwaway address and with a name that can't readily be connected to any publicly known member of the community. His ISP won't hand…

I think from what I have followed of this, there have been some pretty lewd and targeted comments made, not only on blog comments but via direct email. While I dont know Bayley at all, from what I can gather she is highlighting the fact that people have to put up with such harassment due to the fact that ISP's or Police will not act on it. Being that the comments were made via direct email, I guess you could liken it…

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Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment

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I don't know about you, but that's a poor and weak excuse. Would your be offended If I said that to your wife, daughter, mother in person. If someone said that to my wife in person I would break their nose, so why should online be any different.

If you said things to me / my family in person, there is the added threat of violence. Online, there is no such threat. You could just as easily be a bot spewing hate, as a real human being. And being offended by a bot is pretty irrational. Online, there is "data". If I know you, or have formed attachment to you via ongoing conversations etc or divulging details about myself, then the data becomes more meaningful and…

If that person kept coming back again and again with the same or similar comments, would you see the threat, this is what is happening here if you care to actually read the articles

Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment

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That is not political correctness, that is basic respect for a fellow human being. Political correctness goes much farther.

Perhaps political correctness didn't used to mean that. But for a while now the term has mostly only been used as an ingredient of the defensive protestations of people who get called out for displays of bigotry. Consequently, its meaning has shifted.

No, because you can offend people without bigotry, and you can be entirely respectful without being PC. The scope of things that can offend the people around you is essentially limitless. Failure to tip toe around your audience's sensitivities is not bigotry, but failure to respect your audience as an equal human being is.

Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment

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If you said things to me / my family in person, there is the added threat of violence. Online, there is no such threat. You could just as easily be a bot spewing hate, as a real human being. And being offended by a bot is pretty irrational. Online, there is "data". If I know you, or have formed attachment to you via ongoing conversations etc or divulging details about myself, then the data becomes more meaningful and…

If that person kept coming back again and again with the same or similar comments, would you see the threat, this is what is happening here if you care to actually read the articles

I do have sympathy, but I think it's pretty sad to call the 'sexist' card when it's clearly just a case of a troll.

If you ignore him, he'll move on to someone else soon enough. It looks from the article that he wasn't being ignored at all.

Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment

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MikeeUSA frequently states dumb shit like "oh, women deserve to be raped since the day they first bleed because this is what God created women for" and other shit. He does it purely for the sake of trolling, and people periodically bite the trollbait. Is this illegal? No. Should he be beaten with in an inch of his life? Yes. Is that going to happen outside of a prison? Probably not, no one is quite sure of his exact…

“Should he be beaten with in an inch of his life? Yes.” No. No. Definitly not. Are you crazy?

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Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment

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Men have to put up with such abuse harassment and dickery all the time online. Welcome to the internet. Unfortunately us men can't just play the "sexism" card.

Examples?

It’s rough on the internet, sure, but were I a woman I would think long and hard about revealing my gender. Women are quite visibly treated differently and everyone being oblivious to this sexism (or even belittling it) doesn’t really help.

Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment

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I read a private blog of a lady in the games industry, and the level of ordure and harassment she gets is simply unbelievable. It's well beyond anything in the 'people are jerks, suck it up' level.

I can well believe Skud got sick of it and is doing other things with her life.

I'm going to come right out and say it - if you, or someone you know - has a penchant for writing these sorts of harassing emails, it needs to stop. Quite possibly, professional help needs to be sought. It's simply wrong.

Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment

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After reading this article, twice... huh? All I can tell is she is bitching that she didn't get respect purely out of being a woman in tech and nothing else actually substantial. I personally encourage woman to enter various tech industry roles (programming, IT, etc), and women like this push Woman's Rights 2.0 back a decade every time they do this. Also, MikeeUSA is a known troll, and anyone who is stupid enough to…

I'm being downvoted for supporting woman's rights and publicly stating so. Welp, I have karma to burn, I'm not going anywhere.

Your public support for woman's rights is undermined by your implication that she is "stupid" for "falling for his shit". It's not like she got duped into giving her bank account information to a Nigerian Prince. She's become a target for bigotry.

I also wouldn't call harassing emails, phoning people's work places, and changing an employer's online database as "nothing substantial".

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