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Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment

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Post by bigB »

maximusprime wrote: post #26
DiabloD3 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MikeeUSA frequently states dumb shit like "oh, women deserve to be raped since the day they first bleed because this is what God created women for" and other shit. He does it purely for the sake of trolling, and people periodically bite the trollbait. Is this illegal? No. Should he be beaten with in an inch of his life? Yes. Is that going to happen outside of a prison? Probably not, no one is quite sure of his exact…

He's not the problem though. The problem is people being offended by it or taking the bait. Ban, ignore, report, shun etc... Setting up a geek feminist movement is pretty much the worst thing you could do if you wanted the abuse to stop.

I don't know about you, but that's a poor and weak excuse. Would your be offended If I said that to your wife, daughter, mother in person.

If someone said that to my wife in person I would break their nose, so why should online be any different.

Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment

#42

Post by michael_dorfman »

maximusprime wrote: post #13
michael_dorfman wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lot of things besides nudity that can render an image inappropriate for use in a conference presentation, and judging from the description in the linked article ( There was one image of a pig indulging in sexual activity with a goose... ), I don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to be offended.

Guess I just have a very high 'offended' threshold then.

Sure; but if you are presenting in public, it isn't your own 'offended' threshold that should be operative, it is that of your audience. And, even there, you probably don't want to shoot for the middle of the pack there-- offending, say, half of your audience wouldn't be much of a success in most contexts. So, while you might not want to scrub down your presentation to a point where no one is offended, you still probably want to stay away from sexual images involving farm animals. Just sayin'.

Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment

#43

Post by anon1385 »

jxcole wrote: post #33

Somebody sends her an email that she doesn't like to her publicly available email address and she decides to quit working in the community? I hate to say this, but attitudes like this will only make the situation worse. Anybody, anywhere can write an email. You really shouldn't take them to seriously. I am honestly surprised that she let her real email address be publicly available anyway. It's important for communit…

I think you should read the full post: http://geekfeminism.org/2011/10/13/on-being-harassed-a-littl...

It wasn't just emails, it was a sustain campaign of public comments on blogs and videos. Other colleagues received phonecalls to their workplaces making accusations about child pornography. The harassment was affecting her ability to do her day job.

Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment

#44

Post by maximusprime »

bigB wrote: post #41
maximusprime wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's not the problem though. The problem is people being offended by it or taking the bait. Ban, ignore, report, shun etc... Setting up a geek feminist movement is pretty much the worst thing you could do if you wanted the abuse to stop.

I don't know about you, but that's a poor and weak excuse. Would your be offended If I said that to your wife, daughter, mother in person. If someone said that to my wife in person I would break their nose, so why should online be any different.

If you said things to me / my family in person, there is the added threat of violence.

Online, there is no such threat. You could just as easily be a bot spewing hate, as a real human being. And being offended by a bot is pretty irrational.

Online, there is "data". If I know you, or have formed attachment to you via ongoing conversations etc or divulging details about myself, then the data becomes more meaningful and has emotion attached to it. But random data? No point being offended by that.

FWIW If someone I didn't know said that to my wife/mother/etc we'd just ignore them and walk away.

Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment

#46

Post by matt_yoho »

maximusprime wrote: post #20

Men have to put up with such abuse harassment and dickery all the time online. Welcome to the internet. Unfortunately us men can't just play the "sexism" card.

So perhaps it would be generally beneficial to simply oppose online "dickery" and bullying across the board, particularly in cases where there's a component of implied threat beyond the virtual world. "Men are treated unfairly" is an unsympathetic point, even when true.

Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment

#47

Post by maximusprime »

michael_dorfman wrote: post #42
maximusprime wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guess I just have a very high 'offended' threshold then.

Sure; but if you are presenting in public, it isn't your own 'offended' threshold that should be operative, it is that of your audience. And, even there, you probably don't want to shoot for the middle of the pack there-- offending, say, half of your audience wouldn't be much of a success in most contexts. So, while you might not want to scrub down your presentation to a point where no one is offended, you still prob…

Guess so... most funny birthday cards etc feature "worse" images.

It depends what context the images were used in the talk, and if they made sense being there IMHO.

Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment

#48

Post by ugh »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #19
jimwise wrote: post #7

No disagreement with the basic, point, but was a bit surprised by this quote: "So, here's our situation. We have a man (presumably; at any rate he appears to want to be identified as such) in the Australian Linux community, who targets women by sending them private abusive emails from a throwaway address and with a name that can't readily be connected to any publicly known member of the community. His ISP won't hand…

MikeeUSA frequently states dumb shit like "oh, women deserve to be raped since the day they first bleed because this is what God created women for" and other shit. He does it purely for the sake of trolling, and people periodically bite the trollbait. Is this illegal? No. Should he be beaten with in an inch of his life? Yes. Is that going to happen outside of a prison? Probably not, no one is quite sure of his exact…

“Should he be beaten with in an inch of his life? Yes.”

No. No. Definitly not. Are you crazy?

Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment

#49

Post by [deleted] »

bigB wrote: post #41
maximusprime wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's not the problem though. The problem is people being offended by it or taking the bait. Ban, ignore, report, shun etc... Setting up a geek feminist movement is pretty much the worst thing you could do if you wanted the abuse to stop.

I don't know about you, but that's a poor and weak excuse. Would your be offended If I said that to your wife, daughter, mother in person. If someone said that to my wife in person I would break their nose, so why should online be any different.

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Re: Female FOSS dev quits tech industry due to harassment

#50

Post by matt_yoho »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #37
DiabloD3 wrote: post #11

After reading this article, twice... huh? All I can tell is she is bitching that she didn't get respect purely out of being a woman in tech and nothing else actually substantial. I personally encourage woman to enter various tech industry roles (programming, IT, etc), and women like this push Woman's Rights 2.0 back a decade every time they do this. Also, MikeeUSA is a known troll, and anyone who is stupid enough to…

I'm being downvoted for supporting woman's rights and publicly stating so. Welp, I have karma to burn, I'm not going anywhere.

I think you're being downvoted for poor reading comprehension and for the entirely unnecessary and contextually-inappropriate use of the term "bitching".
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