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Re: GitHub user sends notification to 400k users

#141

I'm confused. Can someone explain why the Epic Games developers team has close to 400k members?

They require you to acknowledge some terms that grant you access to the Unreal Engine source code. They grant it by adding you to their GitHub org which has the engine source code as a private repo.

Maybe it's just me but this seems like a misuse of GitHub orgs...

Re: GitHub user sends notification to 400k users

#142

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> I try to not mix work and personal content on the same laptop It's kind of jaw dropping to me at how this is still not the norm and how people gratuitously mix personal and work content on the same devices, both mobile and desktop.

I remember when I worked at an Alphabet company and they offered the option of using your personal phone to sign in to work stuff. (It wasn't Slack, it was one of the seventeen different chat systems they had going at the time.) There was a teensy-weensy little caveat: Google IT could wipe your personal device at any time! No thanks.

That's... odd. Was this a long time ago? Because these days Android has work profiles that specifically exist to let you shove work stuff in its own separate space that can be managed separately from the rest of the device, and Google itself not using the feature that they built into the OS to support that exact situation would seem really weird.

Re: GitHub user sends notification to 400k users

#143

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Sending email notifications to 400,000 users for unimportant things is antisocial. (If 0.1% of those users then reply on the thread, it'd be another 400 comments sent to all 400,000 recipients). I don't think anyone sits down and thinks the intentional behaviour should be "we should make it easy for someone to send a notification email to 400,000 people". That would clearly be annoying. I think the behaviour is accid…

> Sending email notifications to 400,000 users for unimportant things is antisocial. What about requiring people to join a specific team to access the source for no apparent reason? In other words, how are the conditions which led to the creation of this inflated team not antisocial as well?

> a specific team to access the source for no apparent reason?

it isn't for no apparent reason - it's to accept the terms of the agreement for access to the unreal source code.

Re: GitHub user sends notification to 400k users

#144
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The toothpaste is out of the tube - notifications are going to be scrutinized more in the future, from this point on. I got the email. And about 20+ responses to that email. Every person who replies to that issue triggers another 400k emails. Personally, my email client is crashing. EpicGames, as a GitHub org is an outlier, it's basically an SSO for Unreal Engine. I forgot I was even a member of it.

friendly reminder: 400k is an apertif for a competently configured production postfix server. its about 14 seconds of mail, and about 8 seconds optimized at hw and filesystem level. the real issue here is shitty projects from shitty companies.

Where I work, we send over a billion emails a month (blog subscriptions) and 400k is not even a blip.

Re: GitHub user sends notification to 400k users

#145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember when I worked at an Alphabet company and they offered the option of using your personal phone to sign in to work stuff. (It wasn't Slack, it was one of the seventeen different chat systems they had going at the time.) There was a teensy-weensy little caveat: Google IT could wipe your personal device at any time! No thanks.

That's... odd. Was this a long time ago? Because these days Android has work profiles that specifically exist to let you shove work stuff in its own separate space that can be managed separately from the rest of the device, and Google itself not using the feature that they built into the OS to support that exact situation would seem really weird.

Yeah, it was a while ago, and it's possible that I could be remembering some details wrong. It just struck me as "no, I would rather carry a separate work phone if I have to."

Re: GitHub user sends notification to 400k users

#146

can someone explain how this isn't the intended behavior?

Sending email notifications to 400,000 users for unimportant things is antisocial. (If 0.1% of those users then reply on the thread, it'd be another 400 comments sent to all 400,000 recipients). I don't think anyone sits down and thinks the intentional behaviour should be "we should make it easy for someone to send a notification email to 400,000 people". That would clearly be annoying. I think the behaviour is accid…

Creating a team with 400,000 users is antisocial. GitHub teams, and all their inter-related features, are built around a small group of people collaborating together on code. GitHub teams are not intended solely to grant access to source code after signing a EULA. Making a team with 400K users is just a bad idea and this problem was waiting to happen. Unreal needs to find a different solution for what they want.

Re: GitHub user sends notification to 400k users

#147

There are quite a few other, uh, interesting PRs for that repo. https://github.com/EpicGames/Signup/pulls https://github.com/EpicGames/Signup/pull/10/files https://github.com/EpicGames/Signup/pull/18/files What is going on?

It's the internet. People can therefore someone will. Increase the likelihood due to the project being game related.

Re: GitHub user sends notification to 400k users

#148

I empathize with that kid - his intentions were probably good but I'm pretty sure he didn't know this would have sent email notifications. Even if he had known, kid wouldn't have known that it is a bad bad thing. :D Kid probably was creating a PR to brag tomorrow in school!

> ... his intentions were probably good ...

Are we looking at the same pull request?

https://github.com/EpicGames/Signup/pull/24/commits/4e531d5c...

That's ... a super crap PR, hovering near trollish behavior territory.

Re: GitHub user sends notification to 400k users

#149
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To download unreal engine, you need to join this org.

Huh. And yet why is that sort of annoying forced registration not considered 'antisocial', but this accidental tagging is resulting in calls for the poster to be banned?

They sell it (access to the source for the engine) under a commercial license. They were going to have _some_ sort of registration system, so that they can make sure everyone who downloads it paid for it. They reused GitHub for both distribution and registration.
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