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Re: StopTheMadness – Take back your web browser

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Post by nonrandomstring »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #16
nonrandomstring wrote: post #3

> The developer of StopTheMadness is Jeff Johnson, famous for solving the Mac OCSP appocalypse. Jeff's other software includes Link Unshortener, a Mac app that expands shortened web links, Tweaks for Twitter, a web browser extension for Mac and iOS that makes Twitter better, and StopTheScript, a Safari extension for iOS that stops all JavaScript on your selected websites. If HCI/UX was a real thing, none of these rem…

UX is not a real thing for companies. GX is. Growth experience. Growth in revenue that is. GX and UX might overlap (for example when Chrome first came out it was just a lot faster which is a better UX) but similarly everything considered “asshole design” is also GX.

In a way you seem to be saying that companies are incapable of producing good software. Is that true? I don't think it needs to be. Or do we have different ideas of what a "company" is? Sounds like what you are calling GX is a funny way of saying greed.

Re: StopTheMadness – Take back your web browser

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Post by jahewson »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #3

> The developer of StopTheMadness is Jeff Johnson, famous for solving the Mac OCSP appocalypse. Jeff's other software includes Link Unshortener, a Mac app that expands shortened web links, Tweaks for Twitter, a web browser extension for Mac and iOS that makes Twitter better, and StopTheScript, a Safari extension for iOS that stops all JavaScript on your selected websites. If HCI/UX was a real thing, none of these rem…

Given that most of this stuff is to deal with advertising, I’d argue that users haven’t bought or paid for the content in question and that’s the issue. We love “free” stuff.

Re: StopTheMadness – Take back your web browser

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Post by Nicksil »

jahewson wrote: post #22
nonrandomstring wrote: post #3

> The developer of StopTheMadness is Jeff Johnson, famous for solving the Mac OCSP appocalypse. Jeff's other software includes Link Unshortener, a Mac app that expands shortened web links, Tweaks for Twitter, a web browser extension for Mac and iOS that makes Twitter better, and StopTheScript, a Safari extension for iOS that stops all JavaScript on your selected websites. If HCI/UX was a real thing, none of these rem…

Given that most of this stuff is to deal with advertising, I’d argue that users haven’t bought or paid for the content in question and that’s the issue. We love “free” stuff.

>We love “free” stuff.

Not all of us. It's just that most of the time there's no other choice.

Re: StopTheMadness – Take back your web browser

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Post by saagarjha »

ezequiel-garzon wrote: post #18

From the Apple App Store regarding Safari settings: This extension can read and alter webpages you visit and see your browsing history on all websites. This includes sensitive information from webpages, including passwords, phone numbers, and credit cards. The whole idea sounds great, even reasonably priced but... having to trust another company on all that seems too risky. They should offer a standalone browser inst…

Why a standalone browser when you can just disable the extension when you don’t want to use it?

Re: StopTheMadness – Take back your web browser

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Post by dynm »

ohCh6zos wrote: post #7
blondin wrote: post #4

well, i kinda gave up. the problem is not exclusive to browsers at this point. it's the entire OS stack we need to take back. that said, i appreciate the energy put towards making things change. features like protecting copy and paste, and stopping autoplay brought a smile to my face. the fight is right.

We're at the point where both MacOS and Windows have an advertising ID. It can be anonymized, but I can't just turn it off.

Not sure if this is true, but according to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identifier_for_Advertisers

you can opt out of this on MacOS by choosing the "Limit Ad Tracking" setting.

Re: StopTheMadness – Take back your web browser

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Post by nvrspyx »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #21
quickthrower2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UX is not a real thing for companies. GX is. Growth experience. Growth in revenue that is. GX and UX might overlap (for example when Chrome first came out it was just a lot faster which is a better UX) but similarly everything considered “asshole design” is also GX.

In a way you seem to be saying that companies are incapable of producing good software. Is that true? I don't think it needs to be. Or do we have different ideas of what a "company" is? Sounds like what you are calling GX is a funny way of saying greed .

I think they were just exaggerating. Of course, companies can focus on UX rather than GX if they wanted to, but many prefer to optimize for growth than user experience.

Re: StopTheMadness – Take back your web browser

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Post by ezequiel-garzon »

saagarjha wrote: post #24
ezequiel-garzon wrote: post #18

From the Apple App Store regarding Safari settings: This extension can read and alter webpages you visit and see your browsing history on all websites. This includes sensitive information from webpages, including passwords, phone numbers, and credit cards. The whole idea sounds great, even reasonably priced but... having to trust another company on all that seems too risky. They should offer a standalone browser inst…

Why a standalone browser when you can just disable the extension when you don’t want to use it?

Good point... I guess I’d still be a bit uneasy about it.

Re: StopTheMadness – Take back your web browser

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Post by Proven »

garrickvanburen wrote: post #20
nonrandomstring wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but users don't give a crap about choice when all they want is read misinformation on social media, post personal data in public and watch cat videos on ticktock. I really don't mean to direct this at you personally, I suspect you're just repeating things you've heard, or what you think other's think, but I sincerely believe this kind of latent contempt for users needs to stop. Are we all experts on what "users don…

The word “User” itself is derogatory.

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Re: StopTheMadness – Take back your web browser

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Post by em-bee »

blondin wrote: post #4

well, i kinda gave up. the problem is not exclusive to browsers at this point. it's the entire OS stack we need to take back. that said, i appreciate the energy put towards making things change. features like protecting copy and paste, and stopping autoplay brought a smile to my face. the fight is right.

it's the entire OS stack we need to take back

we already have, it's called GNU/Linux with wine.

the number of apps that it can't run is getting less by the day

Re: StopTheMadness – Take back your web browser

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Post by registeredcorn »

gumby wrote: post #17

Stop the madness is great. Don’t think of it as an ad blocker (it helps with that but I use an ad blocker as well). It removes a lot of madness, like forms that suppress paste (or copy), text selection, auto play etc. Makes it possible to use a web browser.

That sounds great, but I wonder, have you run into issues with compatibility? That is, for sites that do incredibly annoying things like that, have you found that it ends up breaking things?
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