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Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Post by jonahbenton »

dane-pgp wrote: post #155
jonahbenton wrote: post #136

The comments objecting to this are bizarre. In the predatory capitalist US, the number of private companies- not subject to any real regulation, or supervision, or action on the part of citizens- that have exactly this data and more numbers literally in the thousands. And while a lot of attention is paid to government data collection, it is very hard for various parts of the government in the US to get this informati…

Knowledge is power, and power corrupts, so what you're saying is "I don't mind giving the Norwegian government absolute power, because they aren't absolutely corrupt (yet)".

I just can't with the aphorisms. Ashes to ashes and dust to dust. So there.

Make an actual argument.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

jvm___ wrote: post #90
giantg2 wrote: post #14

"SSB claims they want a less time-consuming way of collecting and analysing household consumption statistics in order to inform tax policy, social assistance and child allowance." Aka the more we know about you, the more efficiently we can create policies to control your behavior to our liking.

You're already being tracked by the grocery stores, wouldn't it be better to be tracked by someone who at least tries to have your best interests at heart vs. the grocery industry who just wants to sell you more?

The assumption that anyone beside yourself has your best interest at heart is the one thing that I simply cannot comprehend. Time and time again, humans have shown that they do not care about others beyond what is expected within the rules of the society ( and even then it really depends on how well those rules are enforced - see recent pandemic's 'we are all in this together' messages but from yachts ).

Realistically, only you can have your own interests at heart. Obviously, exceptions in the form children and mental handicaps comes in, but, well.. does government and corporations see the population at large as children?

In other words, being tracked is not good for the individual regardless of who is tracking you. It doesn't matter if government tracking is better or worse. They are both bad and they erode your ability to do things as you see fit.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Post by yunohn »

karencarits wrote: post #178

One should be aware that Norway already has very comprehensive registers and databases about the population. Currently, it has only been a benefit, I think, as it enables detailed quality control of say health care services and high-quality register studies. For example, all health/hospital records of deceased Norwegians are digitalized ten years after death and added to a national register. No way to refuse. In my o…

> In my opinion, that is much more invasive

Sorry, what? You’re saying a digitised deaths registry is more invasive than tracking all supermarket purchases?

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Post by mdp2021 »

meowtimemania wrote: post #285
aaomidi wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't wait for this all to eventually leak. Countries need to realize data is not "free" and has a cost to it.

Is it not is already publicly known? Don’t think there’s anything to leak

> Is it not is already publicly known? Don’t think there’s anything to leak

The purchases made by an individual, already public? That on that day you were in that place? That you read "The Lance" instead of "The Spear", that you read Comte instead of Hegel?

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Post by [deleted] »

giantg2 wrote: post #14

"SSB claims they want a less time-consuming way of collecting and analysing household consumption statistics in order to inform tax policy, social assistance and child allowance." Aka the more we know about you, the more efficiently we can create policies to control your behavior to our liking.

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Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Post by mdp2021 »

c_--vote_win wrote: post #340
wiz21c wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As said in the article, we already share our data with the supermarket, google, etc and whatever other systems that binds all of them together. In that situation, I'm happy that government has access to the same data because it gives it a way to balance the private sector power. Now what is needed is the ability to opt out.

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Post by [deleted] »

Beltalowda wrote: post #100
ekianjo wrote: post #79

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Let's not stop there and let's profile people on everything they purchase and increase their taxes on everything that's not remotely considered healthy enough, because you know, they increase the burden on the whole society! That's the recipe for the abolition of individual freedom.

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