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Coinbase is rescinding already-accepted job offers

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Re: Coinbase is rescinding already-accepted job offers

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Let’s ask “Why are they doing this?” I will start by saying most indications are that the management is very rational. Sometimes companies use downturns to get rid of people that they haven’t managed properly. It’s lazy, but cutting the bottom 10% in a layoff can be less short term work than performance reviews. They avoid the PR issues by saying “everyone is doing it.” This isn’t what Coinbase did. If companies are…

Apparently, folks with offers received an email two weeks ago, when the hiring freeze was announced, saying no offers would be rescinded. Did management change their minds in just two weeks?

Re: Coinbase is rescinding already-accepted job offers

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post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think distributed ledgers are here to stay What exactly makes you think that? As far as I can tell, it's still unclear if distributed ledgers are really effective tools for much of anything. What real problems have they solved?

Non-repudiation is an important problem. Some things we can rely upon trusted third parties, but all kinds of things we rely on imperfect systems with notaries and trusted third parties can be more effectively solved with ledgers. A whole lot of the interesting applications are non-monetary-- proving that a record was produced and made available before a certain time and has not been tampered with since. As a world e…

> big fraction of this could be done cheaper and with a higher agree of assurance by distributed ledgers than notaries

These theoretical benefits have been around for 10+ years with little to show for it. Ledger-based solutions tend to focus on a tiny technical step of a big process without considering whether that's a bottleneck or even a non-negligible part and whether improving it actually results in a better solution.

I used to sympathize and engage with the theoretical arguments; but at this point a more productive approach is: if the advantages are such and such, where are the companies benefiting from this competitive advantage? Maybe this competitive advantage doesn't exist at all?

Re: Coinbase is rescinding already-accepted job offers

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> Also the amount of equity sold by the CFO at the public listing indicated little confidence in the long term prospects. As you note, since it was a direct listing and not an IPO, there isn't really an analog to many other companies. My opinion about why they did a direct listing is because institutional investors didn't want to touch it, and that memetail traders (a portmanteau of meme and retail) are undiscerning…

> The other benefit of an IPO (to a trader looking for earliest exposure) is the stabilizing bid from the syndicate, a brief period of more legal market manipulation where a consortium props up the price. Do you mean that you would have gotten the shares and would sell your shares at this point with a certain guarantee on the price, or something else?

In an IPO, the company sells a bunch of shares to banks, and this is a funding round for the company. The banks then immediately try to sell the shares at a slightly higher price to retail, and also collude and post a bunch of money on the buy side of the order books to give the illusion of demand. Psychologically this is commonly effective at getting retail to hop in front of these orders and purchase at higher prices and feel like they can sell at any time, leading them to be less discerning about what price they'll purchase at. And yes, they can sell directly into the stabilizing bid. It doesn't guarantee a price, thats too strong of a word for what this is. The bid can be removed at any time, the only thing exceptional is that the bid can be placed at all, as this would otherwise be sanctionable activity by the regulator or private litigants.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/stabilizingbid.asp#:~:t....

Re: Coinbase is rescinding already-accepted job offers

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post #183

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The cryptocurrency pyramid scam bubble popping is not indicative of a recession.

Are you suggesting we’re not entering a recession?

We are probably already in one. Q1 GDP already shrank.

Re: Coinbase is rescinding already-accepted job offers

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Let’s ask “Why are they doing this?” I will start by saying most indications are that the management is very rational. Sometimes companies use downturns to get rid of people that they haven’t managed properly. It’s lazy, but cutting the bottom 10% in a layoff can be less short term work than performance reviews. They avoid the PR issues by saying “everyone is doing it.” This isn’t what Coinbase did. If companies are…

Coinbase is based on a scam market economy.

Eventually the snake has no more tail to eat.

Re: Coinbase is rescinding already-accepted job offers

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post #201

Let’s ask “Why are they doing this?” I will start by saying most indications are that the management is very rational. Sometimes companies use downturns to get rid of people that they haven’t managed properly. It’s lazy, but cutting the bottom 10% in a layoff can be less short term work than performance reviews. They avoid the PR issues by saying “everyone is doing it.” This isn’t what Coinbase did. If companies are…

Apparently, folks with offers received an email two weeks ago, when the hiring freeze was announced, saying no offers would be rescinded. Did management change their minds in just two weeks?

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Re: Coinbase is rescinding already-accepted job offers

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post #200

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if you had a signed contract don't they have to pay their way out of the notice period regardless?

There is usually no notice period (or mandated severance in the US).

so you can just quit and walk out the door?

strange country

Re: Coinbase is rescinding already-accepted job offers

#210
post #89

LinkedIn should set up a code of practice that bans this. Rescind offers? Then you can't advertise on LinkedIn for the next 5 years, and we won't host your job posts either. That would change the calculations at these companies and make the jobs marketplace better, at little cost to LinkedIn.

Would you be ok if they let recruiters have similar tools on linkedin, to filter out candidates who rescinded offers before? I am not trying to elicit some sympathy for coinbase here, I absolutely don't care about them or companies in general, but I don't think you've thought this proposal through. Let's imagine the issue i mentioned above doesn't exist. Linkedin figured out a perfect way to figure out and filter out…

Thanks for your thoughtful comments.

Would I be OK if LinkedIn gave similar tools to recruiters? No, because an applicant has a lot less power than a company. But I can see that recruiters would want that. So why wouldn't we want that on our side?

The "hire for a day, then fire" issue is interesting. Companies would tread more carefully there, though. Once you've hired someone, then you have a legal relationship with them. In the US, employment is at-will, but protections for firing due to race, gender, etc. still apply. So there's a lawsuit threat that would make this a dangerous game for companies to play.

Other threads claim that Meta did not actually rescind - those were more visa issues. Why is this such a big outrage? Because it's a breach in the norms of how job markets work. Re your analogy - Coinbase would certainly prefer not to have all these people in a downturn. But it certainly has options that the person with a spouse with health problems doesn't have. For example, executives could reduce their compensation temporarily to deal with this. The entering cohort of employees would make Coinbase less profitable, but won't by itself cause it to fail.

Do I really think that the CEO of Coinbase would take a 10% pay cut rather than rescind several offers? No. But the point is that Coinbase has options that mean it can do the ethical thing.

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