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I guess you haven't spent a lot of time in the Nordics. some random articles: https://sweden.se/life/society/a-cashless-society https://interestingengineering.com/sweden-how-to-live-in-the...
Nope. Their cashless culture is one of the reasons I hope I never do go to Scandinavia.
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You're already being tracked by the grocery stores, wouldn't it be better to be tracked by someone who at least tries to have your best interests at heart vs. the grocery industry who just wants to sell you more?
Now you are tracked by both private entities and the state. I don't want to be tracked by anyone, without my explicit consent, which I should be able to withdraw anytime.
You don't? Nor me.
Governments presume to have authority over everything in their domain. The belief in the false idea of 'government' by the majority is what sustains their power.
It is actually immoral and fraudulent. They are meant to serve us - and a servant is less than a free man/woman. That is not how they see it though - they are only serving themselves.
Russia does that already country-wise. Every receipt is sent to federal taxes office instantly, every cash register is connected to the internet.
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The answer is no for stupid solutions like tracking everybody’s meat consumption and a government limiting it. You will be swiftly told to fuck off (and rightly so). You need to get people on your side and contributing without massively changing their lifestyles, instead of alienating them. We need massive reductions in business contributions to climate change and we need investment in current clean energy solutions…
I don't necessarily disagree in principle, but I think what you're saying will be very hard or impossible. Those "business contributions to climate change" exist because they're producing goods that consumers want; you can't significantly reduce that without also affecting consumer lifestyles, by reducing the options for the number of goods, or making them more expensive. Further research in clean energy is all very…
Whether or not this is true (it very well could be although we won’t know for a while) I think the idea that younger generations will just accept that is unrealistic.
People seem to suddenly forget that these transactions are already tracked and individually linked to you. Should we allow anyone to collect that data except democratically elected governments? What's the logic behind this?
What's the worst a store can do to you, what's the worst a government can do to you? Don't make me confirm Godwin's law about democratically elected government.
Now another question: what the best a government is likely to do with this data? What is the best a private company is likely to do with it?
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What's the worst a store can do to you, what's the worst a government can do to you? Don't make me confirm Godwin's law about democratically elected government.
“Government” isn’t a single entity. What’s the worst thing the state’s statistics department can do to you? Is it really that more dangerous than, say, Amazon?
Tell me again how we're not moving into technocracy, with everything micromanaged, every purchase accounted for (by the government). 'Its perfectly fine for governments to know this info'. The end of banks, and central bank digital currency and social credit systems are just around the corner.
All of what you have just said is totally correct. Will be made worse if not is already worse with closed-source software, zero privacy, internet-of-things, artificial intelligence and blockchains as I said before. [0] Anyone standing in the way of this have failed to stop it entirely and we will end up co-existing with these things in a few years or so. So it is not a surprise at all to see Norway do this. A new wor…
If anything, blockchains mighg be the things that end government control over finance. And not all cryptocurrencies are public, monero and zcash exist.
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If you're talking about the tracking done by reward systems then that's a voluntary agreement that people enter into. You can choose not to use a rewards program. As far as I know, if you use a credit card they only know the total of how much you spent and once again you can choose not to use a credit card or bank card and pay with cash if you wish. This proposed data collection has no opt out option. It's kind of ex…
> It's kind of exasperating how little people think about the difference between voluntary participation and forced participation It is totally exasperating when folks excuse corporation tracking you as 'voluntary agreement' when the only alternstive to tracking is forgoonf essential services like mobile phones and living like a hermit
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How? Unless you input a form of ID (like a telephone number in a loyalty program) I don't see how a cash transaction can be linked to you at all. It's not like your cash purchase of 58.32kr has a match 578.32 kr withdrawal; that cash was taken from an ATM in a large, round-number bundle.
If there's a cash transaction every Wednesday between 7pm and 9pm, which always contains a specific type of bread, and a specific type of breakfast cereal, and a specific type of milk, and a specific type of sandwich filling, that's anonymous customer #5678. If you ever misremember the amount cash in your wallet, and, rather than just abandoning your basket at the checkout when you discover this, you pay with a card…
The ideological left push us more and more towards a dystopic future. Which doesn't seem very distant.