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Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Post by basisword » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 3:49 PM UTC

paulcole wrote: post #61

tloriato wrote: post #9

“Hello #3576. You have reached your 1kg monthly limit of natural meat. Please consult the official list for alternatives.”

Doing stuff like this today is going to be 100x better than what people 3 generations from now will have to live through thanks to climate change. The question is whether we’re willing to inconvenience ourselves today to protect future generations - and the answer is looking like no.

The answer is no for stupid solutions like tracking everybody’s meat consumption and a government limiting it. You will be swiftly told to fuck off (and rightly so). You need to get people on your side and contributing without massively changing their lifestyles, instead of alienating them. We need massive reductions in business contributions to climate change and we need investment in current clean energy solutions and investment in further research. The current younger generations already are less well off economically than the last. They shouldn’t have to make further sacrifices for future generations.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Post by whatever1 » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 3:49 PM UTC

tloriato wrote: post #9

“Hello #3576. You have reached your 1kg monthly limit of natural meat. Please consult the official list for alternatives.”

In the US we do it already. The insurance companies can themselves define what healthy lifestyle is and they charge you higher premium. Or deny you coverage.

If you have any objection you can take them to the court and face their multi million legal teams.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Post by spoonjim » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 3:50 PM UTC

rglullis wrote: post #82

data-ottawa wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t that just what sales tax is for? Another comment mentioned increasing your tax bracket if you bought too much meat, but trivially they could just add a sales tax on meat instead to the same effect.

With this they can make a progressive sales tax. "Oh, if you buy meat according to the national average, you pay the standard tax. But if you are eating more than that, you pay double."

There are already ways to do this, you give everyone a “ration card” for 50% off up to N pounds of meat.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Post by samstave » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 3:50 PM UTC

One of the things I have long wanted in the USA:

An app/website/whatever-service which allows the scanning of a receipt/UPC code - which takes the scan data and the price for ITEM.'

Then allows me to track ITEM $ over time, and between vendors / stores.

Ideally I also want to be able to track ORIGIN, thus if I am tracking the cost of an ITEM which has an ORIGIN of non-US-country, I can track over time the cost of a product that was made over-seas.

The reason this is of interest to me - is I like to see where the inlfation of costs is occurring.

As an example, there is a juice that I like to buy which was $1.34 per half-gallon.

It quickly became $1.50 during the pandemic, pre-gas price hikes etc. It was a product that was standard stock forever, its made in the US, and I am convinced that this item was just price lifted, but not because of economies of delivery...

As compared to a product which , say, comes from Thailand - which is shipped over-the-sea, and there are no price hikes.

This can give you insight into where profits are being harvested.

Additionally, one would do well to know ImportYeti ; a service to examine the source ORIGIN of products that you find which are made in China, in order to get the actual mfr for a product - such that if you want to cut out all middle men, you can contact the factories directly.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Post by junofan » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 3:50 PM UTC

paulcole wrote: post #61

tloriato wrote: post #9

“Hello #3576. You have reached your 1kg monthly limit of natural meat. Please consult the official list for alternatives.”

Doing stuff like this today is going to be 100x better than what people 3 generations from now will have to live through thanks to climate change. The question is whether we’re willing to inconvenience ourselves today to protect future generations - and the answer is looking like no.

It’s not a question of us inconveniencing ourselves today. It’s a question of us and all of our descendants inconveniencing themselves in perpetuity.

Which seems unlikely. The future is long.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Post by archsurface » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 3:51 PM UTC

rglullis wrote: post #82

data-ottawa wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t that just what sales tax is for? Another comment mentioned increasing your tax bracket if you bought too much meat, but trivially they could just add a sales tax on meat instead to the same effect.

With this they can make a progressive sales tax. "Oh, if you buy meat according to the national average, you pay the standard tax. But if you are eating more than that, you pay double."

You haven't eaten your five-a-day fruit and veg - more tax on your chocolate. Oh, you haven't reached your 10000 steps today either - more tax.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Post by MontyCarloHall » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 3:51 PM UTC

fullshark wrote: post #48

ekianjo wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Please consult the official list for alternatives.” More likely a new way to tax stuff that the government does not like. Eating too much red-meat from methane-producing cows? Extra climate change tax for you!

Can’t they just add a meat sales tax to accomplish that?

Not if the tax is progressive (higher earning people, or people eating more meat get taxed at a higher rate).

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Post by ClumsyPilot » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 3:51 PM UTC

throwaway4aday wrote: post #44

mateo1 wrote: post #29

People seem to suddenly forget that these transactions are already tracked and individually linked to you. Should we allow anyone to collect that data except democratically elected governments? What's the logic behind this?

If you're talking about the tracking done by reward systems then that's a voluntary agreement that people enter into. You can choose not to use a rewards program. As far as I know, if you use a credit card they only know the total of how much you spent and once again you can choose not to use a credit card or bank card and pay with cash if you wish. This proposed data collection has no opt out option. It's kind of ex…

> It's kind of exasperating how little people think about the difference between voluntary participation and forced participation

It is totally exasperating when folks excuse corporation tracking you as 'voluntary agreement' when the only alternstive to tracking is forgoonf essential services like mobile phones and living like a hermit

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Post by temac » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 3:52 PM UTC

mateo1 wrote: post #29

People seem to suddenly forget that these transactions are already tracked and individually linked to you. Should we allow anyone to collect that data except democratically elected governments? What's the logic behind this?

We should allow neither.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Post by Beltalowda » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 3:53 PM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #79

867-5309 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this would arguably be a great thing

Let's not stop there and let's profile people on everything they purchase and increase their taxes on everything that's not remotely considered healthy enough, because you know, they increase the burden on the whole society! That's the recipe for the abolition of individual freedom.

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