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Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival

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Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival

#41

Somebody should tell them “Made in Germany” may work for cars and capital goods, but not for tech. Too late.

The history of the “Made in Germany” mark is really interesting.

It was introduced by the British to discourage buying from Germany, and encourage people to buy British. Germany then very successfully twisted it around to be a mark of engineering expertise and quality - the perfect response.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_Germany

Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival

#42
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scalability and in code provisioning

which for most people is, the aspiration that they might need scalability

Or just the peace of mind of being able to fully recreate infrastructure easily, if need be.

Code, you know, version control, diffs, CI/CD pipelines, inherent live "documentation" (up to a point, of course you won't know the "why", but you'll know most of the "how" and "what", git offering the "who").

Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival

#43

I do not understand the purpose of AWS style cloud platforms. What's wrong with Hetzner or Contabo? What is the advantage of paying 270€ per month for a 60GB RAM instance with 8 cores if you can get the same instance on Contabo for 27€? It really feels like these cloud platforms are following the Microtransaction model of mobile games.

Get away with bad code and gargantuan queries for 2-3 years by scaling vertically. Blame your monolith and the engineers that built it when scaling vertically can't mitigate tech debt anymore, and rearchitect to microservices to "fix it". Collect tax deductions and executive bonuses in the process (the journey is more important than the destination)

Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival

#45
post #23

I do not understand the purpose of AWS style cloud platforms. What's wrong with Hetzner or Contabo? What is the advantage of paying 270€ per month for a 60GB RAM instance with 8 cores if you can get the same instance on Contabo for 27€? It really feels like these cloud platforms are following the Microtransaction model of mobile games.

Is Hetzner 10x cheaper on GPU costs too? I recently discovered our logging was costing $3,000/mo at GCP. For freaking logs.

We pay more, what we pay for is making it easily available to a lot more people than before. That is actually cheap for what you get, but if you do not get anything extra besides a text dump it's expensive

Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival

#46
post #23

I do not understand the purpose of AWS style cloud platforms. What's wrong with Hetzner or Contabo? What is the advantage of paying 270€ per month for a 60GB RAM instance with 8 cores if you can get the same instance on Contabo for 27€? It really feels like these cloud platforms are following the Microtransaction model of mobile games.

Is Hetzner 10x cheaper on GPU costs too? I recently discovered our logging was costing $3,000/mo at GCP. For freaking logs.

What kind of volume of logs were you generating, too?

And was there some sort of processing thing running on those logs? You'd have to pay for that compute.

Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival

#48

>Built in 2018, the first [datacenter] offers up to 1,000 sqm (10,760 sq ft), with another 4,500 sqm (48,400 sq ft) to be offered in phase two; it reportedly has a PUE of 1.1 and utilizes river cooling. [The second datacenter] offers 300 sqm (3,200 sq ft) across two data halls. These seem implausibly small for the total footprint of an entire datacenter designed for providing resources on par with an AWS zone. Perhap…

Nah, I'd be surprised if it's something else. This is a Lidl project that's being touted as "AWS competition" every few months, but it looks more like a small proof of concept that an actual competitor.

Sort of like a kids bike is a competitor for a truck.

Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival

#49

As long as I can't provision these service myself without having to "call for advice" I am not using it irregardless of the price. It's 2022 and any company still hiding behind "call for pricing" or "call for quote" that isn't servicing government agencies is going to be eaten alive by any other provider not making customer run thought hoops. They claim they are the German AWS when they miss the first thing that Bezo…

German companies are opponents of the self-service models, almost as a rule. Never ceases to amaze me.

Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival

#50

Somebody should tell them “Made in Germany” may work for cars and capital goods, but not for tech. Too late.

The history of the “Made in Germany” mark is really interesting. It was introduced by the British to discourage buying from Germany, and encourage people to buy British. Germany then very successfully twisted it around to be a mark of engineering expertise and quality - the perfect response. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_Germany

"Made in Japan" used to be an insult, too.

Same for "Made in Korea".

"Made in China" still is, I'd give that 20-30 years more to completely transition over.

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