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Re: California DMV Loophole Allowed Jobs to Drive Sans-Plates

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Post by getsat » Thu, Oct 27, 2011, 5:16 AM UTC

felipemnoa wrote: post #89

nlh wrote: post #82

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Don't overly idolize the concept. The SL55 is, relatively-speaking, a fairly modest car (brand new, the SL55 was a bit over $100k vs. the SL65, which looked the same but had a bigger motor and was almost _double_ the price). Among car nerds, Jobs' choice of the 55 model showed a lot of restraint. It's a nice car, but far from one of the finest cars in the world. And lastly, I'd bet that he didn't actually get a brand…

>>It's a nice car, but far from one of the finest cars in the world. I'm not trolling and this is a sincere question. Which car would you consider among the finest in the world? Edit: Thanks for the replies.

Porsche 911 GT3 is beautiful. I'd take it over any other car.

Re: California DMV Loophole Allowed Jobs to Drive Sans-Plates

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Post by blhack » Thu, Oct 27, 2011, 5:33 AM UTC

getsat wrote: post #97

blhack wrote: post #88

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>The SL55 is, relatively-speaking, a fairly modest car [..] a bit over $100k Are you out of your fucking mind? $100,000 is a fairly modest car? That's as much as a lot of us make in two years .

The SL55 AMG is a mid-range Mercedes. It's modest compared to what he could have had. (Rolls-Royce Phantom, Bugati Veyron, etc.) > That's as much as a lot of us make in two years. It should be inspiration to hustle, if anything. I hustled for many years, and I was able to buy my first Mercedes last year.

>I hustled for many years, and I was able to buy my first Mercedes last year.

Boy oh boy!

Maybe if I work my little fingers hard enough, someday I can be on that level!

/sorry for the snark, maybe it's the weather, or maybe it's the condescending tone of your post -- I sincerely hope that I never look at hacking as a form of "hustling"

Re: California DMV Loophole Allowed Jobs to Drive Sans-Plates

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Post by Steko » Thu, Oct 27, 2011, 6:27 AM UTC

larrys wrote: post #86

Steko wrote: post #71

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Honestly "most people" don't have to care. Only a few people need to care enough to affect prices for something with such a limited supply. It's not hard to find pre-owned by celebrity car sales fetching a premium. For all we know though there's some loophole that lets the dealer resell the exact same car to Jobs every 6 months which somehow keeps it under the no-plate period.

"there's some loophole that lets the dealer resell" Exactly. The way the law was written, the exact wording, it would never be expected that someone would not want to do something like put on a license plate and go to the added expense that Jobs did. The law probably reads "x" time period from the date of title. Even if that time period was only 30 days there is nothing to prevent someone from selling the car to thei…

Thanks both to you and sibling for info. I think he prolly was buying the same car repeatedly because it's said he drove 5k miles a year and his car has ~30k miles on it.

Re: California DMV Loophole Allowed Jobs to Drive Sans-Plates

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Post by randomdata » Thu, Oct 27, 2011, 6:35 AM UTC

hugh3 wrote: post #94

randomdata wrote: post #77

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he's a billionaire and the laws didn't apply to him. It is more likely the other way around. People who see that kind of major success are people who refuse to listen to others. Not obeying the law of displaying a license plate is just an extension of the demeanour that allowed him to become a billionaire in the first place.

I see dozens of people failing to obey traffic laws every day. Few of them appear to be billionaires.

So you believe Jobs' attitude had no effect on his success?

Sneaking Woz in after hours at Atari is another famous example of rule that he broke. We know it was in his nature. Breaking rules isn't necessarily going to make you rich, but not breaking rules definitely isn't going to make you rich.

Re: California DMV Loophole Allowed Jobs to Drive Sans-Plates

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Post by electron1c » Thu, Oct 27, 2011, 6:39 AM UTC

jellicle wrote: post #68

Except there's no loophole. Registering the vehicle at purchase (or at beginning of lease) is required. Cal DMV will then send you plates. At which time your paper stickers expire. Besides, his vehicle wasn't displaying the temporary plates either. Look, MacObserver and all the rest of you fanboys: Steve Jobs just decided to disobey the law. There's no loophole. There's just a guy who thought the lines of his car wer…

There are no temporary plates to display. All you get is registration paperwork to keep in your glovebox.

Re: California DMV Loophole Allowed Jobs to Drive Sans-Plates

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Post by nhebb » Thu, Oct 27, 2011, 7:00 AM UTC

rtrunck wrote: post #73

jellicle wrote: post #68

Except there's no loophole. Registering the vehicle at purchase (or at beginning of lease) is required. Cal DMV will then send you plates. At which time your paper stickers expire. Besides, his vehicle wasn't displaying the temporary plates either. Look, MacObserver and all the rest of you fanboys: Steve Jobs just decided to disobey the law. There's no loophole. There's just a guy who thought the lines of his car wer…

Disobeying vehicle registration laws does not equal being an asshole. I doubt anyone actually makes it through a day without breaking at least one law. Quit being an asshole yourself and at least provide a legitimate reason why he was an asshole.

> at least provide a legitimate reason why he was an asshole

Well, since you're asking ... I admire Steve Jobs the entrepreneur, but Steve Jobs the dad qualified as one [1]:

"Jobs's first child, Lisa Brennan-Jobs, was born in 1978, the daughter of his longtime relationship with Chris Ann Brennan, a Bay Area painter. For two years, she raised their daughter on welfare while Jobs denied paternity by claiming he was sterile"

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Personal_life

Re: California DMV Loophole Allowed Jobs to Drive Sans-Plates

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 27, 2011, 7:12 AM UTC

randomdata wrote: post #77

jellicle wrote: post #68

Except there's no loophole. Registering the vehicle at purchase (or at beginning of lease) is required. Cal DMV will then send you plates. At which time your paper stickers expire. Besides, his vehicle wasn't displaying the temporary plates either. Look, MacObserver and all the rest of you fanboys: Steve Jobs just decided to disobey the law. There's no loophole. There's just a guy who thought the lines of his car wer…

he's a billionaire and the laws didn't apply to him. It is more likely the other way around. People who see that kind of major success are people who refuse to listen to others. Not obeying the law of displaying a license plate is just an extension of the demeanour that allowed him to become a billionaire in the first place.

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Re: California DMV Loophole Allowed Jobs to Drive Sans-Plates

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Post by YuriNiyazov » Thu, Oct 27, 2011, 7:16 AM UTC

hugh3 wrote: post #62

lanstein wrote: post #59

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If anyone happens to see this, the best thing I've learned this year is that you can do all your DMV business (at least in CA) at any AAA office, if you're a member.

Really? Including getting my licence renewed? I've been putting off going to the DMV for nearly a year now. My licence is very, very expired. If I can join AAA to avoid this, I definitely will.

I just got my CA license last week. The whole procedure, from showing up to leaving, took less than 1 hour. Maybe the claremont office in oakland is somehow different than others.

Re: California DMV Loophole Allowed Jobs to Drive Sans-Plates

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Post by lambada » Thu, Oct 27, 2011, 8:10 AM UTC

hugh3 wrote: post #94

randomdata wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

he's a billionaire and the laws didn't apply to him. It is more likely the other way around. People who see that kind of major success are people who refuse to listen to others. Not obeying the law of displaying a license plate is just an extension of the demeanour that allowed him to become a billionaire in the first place.

I see dozens of people failing to obey traffic laws every day. Few of them appear to be billionaires.

People who are rich often disobey laws, does not equate to People who disobey laws are often rich.

Re: California DMV Loophole Allowed Jobs to Drive Sans-Plates

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Post by atmega10 » Thu, Oct 27, 2011, 8:13 AM UTC

hugh3 wrote: post #56

baddox wrote: post #51

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That's a $120,000 car? Hopefully it looks better from the front, or is extremely comfortable.

More like $140K. Actually I think they don't make the SL55 any more, so the latest one would have to be an SL63. It doesn't look all that different to a $45,000 SLK, though, which makes it the insanely fast borderline-supercar of choice for the billionaire who wants to remain relatively inconspicuous.

What is an "insanely fast borderline-supercar" good for when all it does is get you to the next red light faster (unless you take it to the track)? I'm genuinely curious. I found that when I drive (relatively relaxed) I tend to be waiting at the next intersection next to the guy who changed lanes multiple times and raced around others. I'd rather spend my money to upgrade to a bigger boat.