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Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Agreed. That's why i said in another comment that it makes sense to discuss this in the Indian Workplace more than the American Workplace .

No, you're getting it backwards. The issue is that Indian (or Indian-American) workers are bringing these prejudices into American workplaces. People in Indian workplaces know about these issues, non-Indians in American workplaces very likely don't, which allows the discrimination to go unchecked.

>...in American workplaces...which allows the discrimination to go unchecked

That is THE assumption which is being challenged; the reasons in my other comments.

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Anecdotes about bad things that happen to some people aren't going to phase me and change my mind out about large scale systematic damage the left wants to do. Regardless though, my point is that there are 'sides' and 'groups' and thinking poorly about the other side isn't going to go away when someone running for president of the United States calls people basically evil. People on the right think that people on the…

> aren't going to phase me and change my mind Already addressed that, try to keep up. > Regardless though, my point is that there are 'sides' and 'groups' and thinking poorly about the other side isn't going to go away when someone running for president of the United States calls people basically evil. There are sides. I don’t care for the good/evil distinction, but there is a clear conflict of values and it’s not go…

Correct, the left is the one that does the violence. You can look at jails and murder stats for that if you like, but in general is pretty obvious who the very intolerant ones are and it's the left.

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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anti-India? Do you mean anti-highest-Indian-caste or something? both the OP and your citation are her complaining about a tech CEO being Brahmin and avoiding the caste conversation...

Why is the Indian American CEO obligated to discuss caste? Must the Jewish founders of the FAANG companies share their views on the Israel-Palestine conflict?

You are changing the topic of your own conversation... reread our messages and try again.

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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As a Dalit myself, I wrote a Dalit 101 for non Indian audience. https://thelit.substack.com/p/dalit-101

Two quibbles. First, the Rigveda itself didn't separate castes into hierarchical varnas - that was more of a later vedic thing. Second, jatis aren't exactly sub-varnas. Some jatis span across varnas (e.g. because their members engage in both farming (shudra) and soldiering (kshatriya)), and particularly in South India the jati system exists even though the varna system has only been incompletely applied (a lot of reg…

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Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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anti-India? Do you mean anti-highest-Indian-caste or something? both the OP and your citation are her complaining about a tech CEO being Brahmin and avoiding the caste conversation...

It's not even certain that he's Brahmin. The Saiva Vellalars (a lower caste group) seem to believe he's one of them.

I don't think anything exists on the English language internet about that. (I doubt Saiva Vellalars hangout there, but I also have no idea who they are.) Wheras so many people insist he is Brahmin that if you enter "google CEO caste" into Google search, the algorithm spits out "Brahmin" (this is more of an amusing detail)

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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I don’t know what to say about this, but the ultra-nationalists in India are the one people I fear might one day get triggered and murder millions.

In the same manner as the Europeans have already done repeatedly in history?

Yes

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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> high school history tends to skip from the civil war to WW1 I very, very highly doubt that. In terms of US history, this period covers several important topics: * Reconstruction * Settling of the American West * Rise of the Granger and later Progressive movements * Burgeoning immigration to the US, and all the tensions that result from that * Second Industrial Revolution, which also fuels the Gilded Age and labor m…

I was really interested in history (so presumably I paid attention) and my education mirrors his. I went to a good public school in a state that people who are looking to lie with statistics in order to make a politically charged point like to hold up as a pinnacle of educational achievement. Pretty much any topic that someone who is a big proponent of government solutions to problems might find troublesome got gloss…

I can't parse your second sentence. I went to high school in Chicago, in the 1990s. Everything 'jcranmer mentions mirrors my own experience. We definitely didn't skip from the Civil War to WW1.

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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anti-India? Do you mean anti-highest-Indian-caste or something? both the OP and your citation are her complaining about a tech CEO being Brahmin and avoiding the caste conversation...

Why is the Indian American CEO obligated to discuss caste? Must the Jewish founders of the FAANG companies share their views on the Israel-Palestine conflict?

Is the Israeli-Palestine conflict happening in their office?

I’d certainly hope the CEO would say something if their Israeli employees and Palestinian employees started firing rockets at each other on work time.

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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I truly don’t know and fully defer to people who are directly familiar for that portion of the discussion. My only point in responding was to say that increased (public) diversity of gender identity hasn’t been a panacea of acceptance. If anything I’ve seen the opposite, much more transphobia and even just ignorant objections to parts of speech, in recent years. I can speak a little bit to that , but technology has m…

I think where the activists went wrong was in trying to increase acceptance of gender identity, rather than acceptance of diverse gender expression. We can see that distinction very clearly in the increasingly influential 'TERF' movement: being radical feminists who are deeply critical of gender stereotypes, they of course have no problem with men wearing dresses or other gender non-conforming accoutrements. But men…

That’s fascinating. So my “activism”—spending my entire life in no way identifying as “man” other than being told I was, and very quietly telling my closest friends and family that’s how I feel, and inviting them to embrace that if they choose or change nothing if that’s more comfortable to them—that’s why I have to call women men? This is the most vocal I’ve ever been on the topic. And I never felt like I was a “cross dresser”. Hell, as much as I enjoy occasionally going out fem, most of the time I’m just quietly being nonbinary with my (really nice full) beard and keeping to myself. But I guess my activism of “being who I am” really ruined it for people who expect me not to. And I guess fuck people who have more at stake in who they are… how dare they exist? Right?
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