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This happens to me just using the adaptive cruise control, no Autopilot or FSD enabled and it's super annoying. Can happen on a completely empty road driving in a straight line.
This happens to me just using the adaptive cruise control, no Autopilot or FSD enabled and it's super annoying. Can happen on a completely empty road driving in a straight line.
> Tesla has drawn scrutiny from safety advocates and regulators for its willingness to allow its customers to test what is essentially an unfinished version of a software product that Musk has long promised will lead to fully autonomous vehicles on the road.
Now here's a similar recent scenario with 'blockchain'.
Suppose an unfinished 'beta' blockchain with multi-billions at stake going down or gets hacked and the price falls, is the excuse 'it's beta software', 'sorry you lost your savings'? Hence if many users of FSD beta are putting their lives at risk or getting themselves killed over faulty safety-critical software, is the excuse also going to be 'It's beta software'? 'Sorry you lost your life, you knew the risks!'
It really sounds like a way to push all blame on to the driver rather than the developer, despite little to no protections to the users and screams more tighter regulations to rid of that public 'beta' responsibility with software that has an incredible amount of risks.
How much better than a human driver does a self-driving system need to be before we as a society will accept fully autonomous vehicles? That seems like the key question which we are spending very little effort trying to understand. Until we have a national conversation about this, I suspect self-driving will be an intractable problem.
> Until we have a national conversation about this, I suspect self-driving will be an intractable problem. I hate to be a pessimist, but I'm not sure "national conversations" are all that useful in the U.S. Consider the "national conversation" leading up to Obamacare. NPR (at least) reported on the known pros/cons of various national healthcare systems around the world. AFAIK some of them were simply better than what…
Whether it's better or worse for the country is a complicated question that I don't have an answer to, and no one does. Because it's a nuanced answer, if you're being serious about quantifying "better". Unfortunately most people, across both political factions in the US, would rather adhere to their ideologies than think critically about things in this era.
This is probably happening a lot more than the number of reports mentioned in the article indicates. It happens to me every other day in my Model 3. It's also not binary - sometimes it slows down more quickly than other times, or stops too suddenly when a car is stopped in front of you. Seems real easy to get rear-ended. I've only got autopilot, not FSD. It's very conservative. It always considers someone to be in fr…
>Seems real easy to get rear-ended. Which, in this age of cheap ubiquitous dash-cams, isn't nearly as likely to be the "inconvenient waste of time but zero financial risk" deal it used to be Edit: Since apparently this needs explaining, insurers will consider evidence and happily doll out blame to a party that does something dumb in proportion to their fault (with slight variations per differences in law from state t…
This is probably happening a lot more than the number of reports mentioned in the article indicates. It happens to me every other day in my Model 3. It's also not binary - sometimes it slows down more quickly than other times, or stops too suddenly when a car is stopped in front of you. Seems real easy to get rear-ended. I've only got autopilot, not FSD. It's very conservative. It always considers someone to be in fr…
You continue using this feature despite these errors occurring daily? The way you describe it makes autopilot seem like an inexperienced teenage driver; I think whatever marginal safety benefit you get from it might be erased by the life-shortening stress such erratic car behavior must induce.
When this "feature" triggers you have a short window in which to do _something_ to tell the car that you are paying attention. Your options are either: accellerate or brake. If you do nothing the car may apply full brakes and bring you to a full stop, regardless what is behind you.
> Reports of “phantom braking” first surfaced last fall
This has been happening for much longer than that -- at least as early as Winter 2019, when I unintentionally brake checked a Prius after merging while going over 101 @ Rengstorf.
This is probably happening a lot more than the number of reports mentioned in the article indicates. It happens to me every other day in my Model 3. It's also not binary - sometimes it slows down more quickly than other times, or stops too suddenly when a car is stopped in front of you. Seems real easy to get rear-ended. I've only got autopilot, not FSD. It's very conservative. It always considers someone to be in fr…
>Seems real easy to get rear-ended. Which, in this age of cheap ubiquitous dash-cams, isn't nearly as likely to be the "inconvenient waste of time but zero financial risk" deal it used to be Edit: Since apparently this needs explaining, insurers will consider evidence and happily doll out blame to a party that does something dumb in proportion to their fault (with slight variations per differences in law from state t…
This is probably happening a lot more than the number of reports mentioned in the article indicates. It happens to me every other day in my Model 3. It's also not binary - sometimes it slows down more quickly than other times, or stops too suddenly when a car is stopped in front of you. Seems real easy to get rear-ended. I've only got autopilot, not FSD. It's very conservative. It always considers someone to be in fr…
You continue using this feature despite these errors occurring daily? The way you describe it makes autopilot seem like an inexperienced teenage driver; I think whatever marginal safety benefit you get from it might be erased by the life-shortening stress such erratic car behavior must induce.
I believe the NHTSA is going to require Tesla retrofit radar on all vehicles to mitigate their Tesla Vision functionality deficiency.
(submitted lengthy dash cam videos and accelerometer data to the NHTSA as a complaint)
How much better than a human driver does a self-driving system need to be before we as a society will accept fully autonomous vehicles? That seems like the key question which we are spending very little effort trying to understand. Until we have a national conversation about this, I suspect self-driving will be an intractable problem.