Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by throwaway4aday » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 5:09 PM UTC

photochemsyn wrote: post #260

throwaway4aday wrote: post #68

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How about reading the article instead of the headline. "Tesla CEO Elon Musk has a “super bad feeling” about the economy and needs to cut about 10% of jobs at the electric carmaker" "Musk has warned in recent weeks about the risk of a recession, but his email ordering a hiring freeze and staff cuts was the most direct and high-profile message of its kind from the head of an automaker." "Musk’s gloomy outlook echoes re…

This is a fundamental problem with the US corporate model: responsibility to shareholders should carry no more weight than responsibility to employees . This is more the German model (see VW) where a company's workers and a company's shareholders have similar representation on the corporate board and both share in the decision-making process. It's also no surprise that the main pushback against the 'back to the offic…

A company is not formed for the benefit of the employees and private industry shouldn't be run like a welfare system. What you see as disposable units I see as free agents, adding more regulation and removing the freedom of choice of both the employer and the employee is ruinous to both. We should be striving to make it easy to fire as well as easy to hire, if you tie up one side or the other or both then you end up with unproductive workers or stagnant businesses or both.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by wonderwonder » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 5:11 PM UTC

ericbarrett wrote: post #16

A couple of days ago somebody posted this Reddit thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/v2lpdw/e... "Tesla expanded massively during Covid, as of now half of the dev team(including me) don’t have parking space or desk. It’s physically impossible for everyone to return to office. "Should I ignore the email, or should I drive to the office and sit under the stairs?" Commenters' general feeling was…

The fact that its not a great situation aside, the concept of an engineer making ~300k plus a year having to setup a little office Harry Potter style on the floor under the stairs is pretty funny in a "its so egregious its funny" way. Imagine hiring people, paying them a ton of money and then saying everyone has to come into the office due to the CEO's arrogance but having zero infrastructure setup to handle these people. So millionaires (not that any income level should have to endure this) are working under the stairs or in the lobby to appease the God King. Its pretty bad and pretty amusing too.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by FireBeyond » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 5:11 PM UTC

ethanbond wrote: post #395

daenz wrote: post #380

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The BI story thing is only a slimy tactic if you assume the sexual assault accusation to be true. If Elon knows its false and a tactic to paint him in a specific light, how could he be blamed for getting out in front of the narrative? Should he just let people say reputationally-damaging things about him, without intervening in any way? I think we've seen recently with the Amber Heard case that it's better to let the…

Strongly disagree. I'm completely ambivalent as to whether the accusation is true or not – I have literally no idea and probably never will. Elon didn't come out and say, "hey there are accusations coming about an issue that was settled long ago outside of court, I maintain position X." He said, "I am switching to the Republican party, expect political hit pieces." He has turned his legal issue into a Republican vs D…

He didn't even switch.

For years, he's donated to both political parties (as most of the ultra rich do). But for years, for every million dollars he's donated to the GOP, he's only donated just over 100,000 to the Democrats.

The only thing "liberal" about Musk is his attitude to weed (well, for himself, not his employees). Anti-tax, anti-regulation, anti-trans, etc., etc.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by Tehchops » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 5:12 PM UTC

systemvoltage wrote: post #472

Tehchops wrote: post #328

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Despite the zealous beliefs of the visionary, thought-leader techbro space that Musk's every move was to drive civilization forward in some kind of libertarian, technocrat utopia, it seems very clear at this point every one of these moves was absolutely a self-serving narrative shield around incredibly typical corporate/rich-person bad behavior. Oh but who could have seen this coming except oh wait everyone. The scha…

The divide here about Elon is much deeper than I anticipated. It’s crazy how one sided HN is. Seems entirely subjective and political. If one were to read the comments here, the only conclusion would be that Elon is the force of evil and a reincarnation of satan.

> the only conclusion would be that Elon is the force of evil and a reincarnation of satan.

Speaking of one sided... I'd argue there are many more nuanced conclusions you could derive.

I'm sure there have been comments towards him that are ad-hominem accusations of "evil", but in general and this thread specifically I think it's his virtue signaling around "free-speech" and "innovation" rightfully being called out for what they are; self-serving and quite vanilla capitalist maneuvering.

Setting up straw-man arguments like you've done is the same kind of defensive, fallacious reasoning his aforementioned zealous followers engage in.

Like Rick & Morty and Jesus, the worst thing about Elon tends to be his fans.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by FireBeyond » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 5:13 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #458

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Most people don't change their political ideology based on sexual assault accusations. Even if they were false, why would that cause someone to join a party with a radically different view of society than their previous party?

The best explanation that I've seen so far is that he was a Democrat only because it boosted Tesla's sales.

He's been massively donating more to the GOP than the Democrats since before Trump. About the only thing that espouses a liberal viewpoint is his view on legalization of weed (but don't smoke it if you work for his companies, unless you're him).

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by FireBeyond » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 5:14 PM UTC

daenz wrote: post #468

plorkyeran wrote: post #457

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The claim that he was a Democrat but is now starting to lean more Republican is itself a blatant lie based on his historical political donations.

Sometimes people support the candidate that happens to protect their interests more, and the color of their party doesn't really mean a lot. Am I imagining that Trump and Elon were portrayed in the media as having a good relationship? Wouldn't you consider that leaning more Republican, especially considering Trump's radioactivity?

Musk is openly anti-tax, anti-regulation, anti-worker protection, anti-trans. Not remotely liberal.

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Post by systemvoltage » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 5:15 PM UTC

1270018080 wrote: post #486

systemvoltage wrote: post #472

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The divide here about Elon is much deeper than I anticipated. It’s crazy how one sided HN is. Seems entirely subjective and political. If one were to read the comments here, the only conclusion would be that Elon is the force of evil and a reincarnation of satan.

Is there a grand conspiracy plotting against him to discredit him? Or are his own actions doing the damage?

To me it seems like there are 3 things at play.

1) Political incongruency.

2) Character flaws.

3) Actions and actual impact.

These 3 things mix together in a toxic cocktail of hate (or love) depending on which side of the table you’re on. The sides of the table are primarily determined by 1) and the 2) and 3) are glued together to fit the narrative.

I am expecting more from HN tbh.

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Post by FireBeyond » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 5:16 PM UTC

flutas wrote: post #481

numair wrote: post #385

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The Elon / TSLA fanboys need to update their conspiracy theory. Blodget doesn’t even own BI, which everyone knows. I think Elon himself helped to spread this conspiracy, when he would be fully aware it’s complete BS. This demonstrates to me that he is willing to engage in the dangerous game of pushing fake news on his blind followers to get them to go after his enemies, even if it makes no sense. These are the exact…

> Blodget doesn’t even own BI Nobody I saw claimed he owns BI. He's a cofounder and the current CEO though and therefore does run BI. Just had to call you out on that for spreading a falsehood by trying to twist someone else's words while trying to make a claim about "fake news". But I also never said it was him either, someone else did. I have no clue who it is and don't even want to get into a guessing game of it.…

Naked short selling is farcical. But short positions are perfectly valid and the "oh the shorts, the shorts!" martyrdom is tired. People are allowed to think your company is overvalued.

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 5:24 PM UTC

kube-system wrote: post #341

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The fact that the USA hasn't invested in the necessary infrastructure doesn't change the conclusion that efficient public transport systems (see Europe, see China) have huge benefits relative to a system that relies almost entirely on individual vehicles.

We’ve built so much sprawl that it’s difficult to make an efficient transport system that makes the types of trips that people now want to make. Everyone chooses where to put homes and workplaces with transportation in mind. In the UK people who commute by rail commute an average of 235 miles per year . [0] I’ve had commutes of 150 miles per day . (Or 30,000+ miles per year) although that’s on the high end of what Am…

> We’ve built so much sprawl that it’s difficult to make an efficient transport system that makes the types of trips that people now want to make.

Yeah, the American desire to have a large grassy lawn surrounding their house means density is far too low to make public transit viable.

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Post by infamouscow » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 5:33 PM UTC

l33t2328 wrote: post #432

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So he should be condemned because he behaves differently than you? As a reminder, this kind of thinking lead to the worst atrocities of 20th century history.

Comparing people critical of Elon’s erratic behavior to Nazis is pushing things a little too far, don’t you agree?

When people find it acceptable to make ad hominem attacks of a person or group instead of arguing the point, history has shown evil rises and takes power.

Elon has Asperger's syndrome. So no, it's not "pushing things a little to far" if you read up on what the Nazi's did to children diagnosed with the syndrome.