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Record labels dig their own grave, and the shovel is called TikTok

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Re: Record labels dig their own grave, and the shovel is called TikTok

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Post by edzillion »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #101
pavo-etc wrote: post #79

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Counterpoint: Hatsune Miku

Hatsune Miku was deliberately gamified as participatory marketing for creators, and is also representative of a specific culture. You can't generalise to pop in general, because being a pop headliner is as much about glamour, lifestyle, fashion, and branding as it is about music. No one wants an imaginary Bowie album, because it's a glamour-free proposition - a curiosity at best, most likely irrelevant. People have b…

> No one wants an imaginary Bowie album, because it's a glamour-free proposition - a curiosity at best, most likely irrelevant.

They're all going mad for an imaginary Abba concert

Re: Record labels dig their own grave, and the shovel is called TikTok

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Post by marcus_holmes »

thereddaikon wrote: post #143
cal85 wrote: post #127

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It’s a musical genre, a sound, it has many definitions depending on context. It isn’t just a literal abbreviation of the word “popular”, not since about the 1950s anyway.

No that's exactly what it is. It used to be if it was on the radio, it was pop. Now I guess it would be if it goes viral on Tiktok or trending on streaming platforms. But if you are going to claim its an actual genre, like I've seen many do, then you will need to provide a description of the style that manages to include what people generally consider pop while excluding what they don't. And I've yet to see someone s…

I'm not sure I agree with this definition - I was a teenager in the 80's when radio dominated the music industry, and they played a lot of stuff that wasn't "pop music".

John Peel's show on Radio 1 in the UK was practically the definition of counter-culture music at the time, yet that was the mainstream music radio station.

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Post by smugma »

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #97
vlunkr wrote: post #74

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Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I don't believe this will happen, and unless I'm mistaken, there's absolutely 0 evidence for it. People are usually attached to the artist when it comes to music. You buy a Bowie album because it has his name on it. You learn about them, look forward to their future work, maybe go see them live, etc. Will computers replace EDM and elevator music? I don't know, maybe, who cares?

Nobody under 40 is buying any albums, at least not enough to matter. Physical music media is skewed towards the pre-Napster demographic. Bandcamp is nice but no one's getting rich off of it.

Physical outsells Digital downloads. The switch happened two years ago, largely due to the growth of vinyl and streaming replacing downloads.

Re: Record labels dig their own grave, and the shovel is called TikTok

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Post by multjoy »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #163
thereddaikon wrote: post #143

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No that's exactly what it is. It used to be if it was on the radio, it was pop. Now I guess it would be if it goes viral on Tiktok or trending on streaming platforms. But if you are going to claim its an actual genre, like I've seen many do, then you will need to provide a description of the style that manages to include what people generally consider pop while excluding what they don't. And I've yet to see someone s…

I'm not sure I agree with this definition - I was a teenager in the 80's when radio dominated the music industry, and they played a lot of stuff that wasn't "pop music". John Peel's show on Radio 1 in the UK was practically the definition of counter-culture music at the time, yet that was the mainstream music radio station.

But the rest of the Radio 1 scheduling was very pop. Being a national broadcaster it has to consider the non-mainstream.

Re: Record labels dig their own grave, and the shovel is called TikTok

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Post by G4E »

Coolerbythelake wrote: post #99

Being a musician and audio engineer right now for 30 years, I see all this and I simply shake my head. I've long given up the hopes of monetary success for my music. One thing that remains is the energy exchange between an artist and the audience in a live setting. If you love music and you are not an emotional robot you know what I am talking about. Software can't replicate that and the artistry in the performer kno…

I love music and as far as I know, I'm not a robot. However, I really dislike live events. Of courses, there are a lot if different set up, but we're talking small gigs in a local place.

I can't describe it other than "sensors overloads" (maybe I am a robot...). Too loud (the sound, but also the crowd). Too many peoples, too crowded. The smell of cheap beer, sweat, smoke... It's simply too much for me. I feel the urge to go far from that place, as quickly as possible.

I know your point was more about "a simple thing to support and enjoy your local artists", but live events are'nt for everybody sadly.

Re: Record labels dig their own grave, and the shovel is called TikTok

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Post by oneoff786 »

thereddaikon wrote: post #143
cal85 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a musical genre, a sound, it has many definitions depending on context. It isn’t just a literal abbreviation of the word “popular”, not since about the 1950s anyway.

No that's exactly what it is. It used to be if it was on the radio, it was pop. Now I guess it would be if it goes viral on Tiktok or trending on streaming platforms. But if you are going to claim its an actual genre, like I've seen many do, then you will need to provide a description of the style that manages to include what people generally consider pop while excluding what they don't. And I've yet to see someone s…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music

We don’t need another semantic battle over who gets to gatekeep what defines a genre. It’s all subjective but you can also get the gist on the general case pretty easily.

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Post by Slow_Hand »

visarga wrote: post #84
gregmac wrote: post #82

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> When the software world can convincingly create new songs that sound like the hit songs people like, but sufficiently different to dodge copyright law, then it's game over. In what way? This is already a thing in shoes, clothes, handbags, watches... Yet the original brands thrive. I'd counter that listening to "cheap knockoff" music will have a similar appeal (or lack thereof).

When software can convincingly create new songs the risk will be so low that it will open up the scene for more experimentation and diversity. People tend to risk averse, AI doesn't care.

Perhaps, but presumably people will still be the ones choosing whether to release or promote a given work generated by an AI, and by your reasoning they are the ones who are risk averse.

I don’t imagine many people subscribing to an AI who can generate and release countless songs on it’s own without some sort of filter to discern desirable content from undesirable.

Barring some large development, having a human to curate the generated material will be a requirement for success, or else drown your audience in a torrent of unchecked content.

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Post by wvh »

infinityio wrote: post #111
swayvil wrote: post #105

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If modern music is mastered digitally (and assuming I want to listen to modern music), what advantages do analog technologies bring?

Pleasant imperfection. High-end roll-off. Natural compression. (Speaking as a musician, not an audiophile.)

Of course, all of that can be emulated quite faithfully now.

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