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DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by tdehnel »

tinalumfoil wrote: post #104

The amount of creativity here is astounding. Just imagine all the decisions the AI made in incorporating Kermit into the movies: the clothing it's chosen, how the character wears the clothing, the facial expressions, how to make Kermit himself look similar to the other movies characters. Should he be lanky? pudgy? Even simple decisions like obliviously Kermit in Wall-E is going to be a robot, it has to figure out wha…

Sorry to be this guy but that is not creativity. It’s using what already exists, not conjecturing something new.

Contrast with real creativity (what people can do but machines currently cannot) where you conjecture something completely new.

For example, Copernicus conjecturing the idea that the Earth revolves around the Sun. No machine learning model would have gotten there because it would have been trained on a bunch of data that said the Earth was the center of the universe.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by marcodiego »

aqzman wrote: post #25
mensetmanusman wrote: post #14

This is amazing. We are at the precipice of someone releasing a $100M blockbuster movie just based on the language in the script with zero cost beyond compute. What will this mean for the future of entertainment…

I suspect at some point in the next 5-15 years we will begin to see AI generated entertainment perfectly tailored to a person's preferences.

When I think about such a possibility, https://c.tenor.com/emURWFXTpvIAAAAC/pearl-jam-do-the-evolut... comes to my mind.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by dougmwne »

tdehnel wrote: post #111
tinalumfoil wrote: post #104

The amount of creativity here is astounding. Just imagine all the decisions the AI made in incorporating Kermit into the movies: the clothing it's chosen, how the character wears the clothing, the facial expressions, how to make Kermit himself look similar to the other movies characters. Should he be lanky? pudgy? Even simple decisions like obliviously Kermit in Wall-E is going to be a robot, it has to figure out wha…

Sorry to be this guy but that is not creativity. It’s using what already exists, not conjecturing something new. Contrast with real creativity (what people can do but machines currently cannot) where you conjecture something completely new. For example, Copernicus conjecturing the idea that the Earth revolves around the Sun. No machine learning model would have gotten there because it would have been trained on a bun…

These are fun discussions because words like "artistic creativity" have a colloquial meaning that could only apply to humans since the dawn of humanity. Now you have an image of Kermit in Wall-E. I have never seen or conceived of an image of Kermit in Wall-E. Let's assume that adorable robot Kermits do not exist in the training data to be spit out like a search algorithm.

The image is new, it did not previously exist. It is a creation, a very vague idea of a few words that was created in full realization.

So it sees like the only difference between the "Not creativity" that Dall-E is doing and "Real Creativity" that humans do is tht humans are the ones doing it?

I agree there's this concept of expanding the frontiers of human aesthetic capability that has slow-marched from cave paintings till post-modernism. That there are a very few artists that invent completely new styles that the rest of us copy and remix. It's questionable that Dall-E can do that, but I'm also not sure that it can't do that.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by ryanklee »

throw6746 wrote: post #108
ryanklee wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. They are self-evident, high-quality representations of KtF. When faced with disagreement on that, it's hard to know what to say in response to convince someone other than to point to another canonical representation of KtF and say, "These are the same."

The OP pointed specific examples: > - For any of the "live action" ones, Kermit should still always be a puppet. - Kermit notoriously has lanky arms, - Kermit never has eye lids - His eyes sit way on top of his head. - He often has his weird neck decoration. - His eyes have a very distinctive pupil shape.

This is something akin to isolated demands for rigor. Apparently these features are not essential to KtF-ness, because most people look at these pictures and see unambiguous KtF.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by bergenty »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #79

Not to detract from the accomplishment, but none of these are Kermit. The "Kermit" part of the query seems mostly to have accomplished querying for "humanoid frog"

These are all kermit. The identifying caricatural features are all here.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by bergenty »

tommoor wrote: post #33
PheonixPharts wrote: post #24

These are honestly not very impressive (no sarcasm here) and further convince me that the next AI Winter will come with this coming recession. Don't get me wrong, they are still impressive in the quality of the visual they produce, but just like Markov Chain demos of old, they're neat but way miss the mark. None of these capture the "feel" of Kermit the Frog. Most of them look like weird designs for the Ninja Turtles…

I genuinely can't tell if you're trolling. This isn't impressive because the AI model doesn't accurately capture the "feel" of Kermit!?

When it completely does capture the feel of Kermit.
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