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Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by NovemberWhiskey »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #195
erikpukinskis wrote: post #169

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Unless your friend lives in Montana, their employment is “at-will”. Which means at any time Tesla can change their mind on any aspect of the agreement and offer you a choice between a new contract or the door.

That’s not true. At will is almost never an excuse for violating contracts, employment law, or various discrimination protections. That said they can do it, but they would expose themselves to copious lawsuit liability.

Being a contract worker is the alternative to being an at-will employee. Employment law, nor discrimination protection law, have anything to say about dismissing at-will employees who are surplus to business needs.

Any kind of competent HR department will be able to manage a paper trail sufficient to dismiss at-will employees in a bullet-proof way, especially in a general business turndown.

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Post by tjpnz »

helloworld653 wrote: post #294
selfportrait wrote: post #138

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This is par for the course. Every time there is big news expected, Elon’s antics are elevated and a coordinated distraction by way of a tweet is posted. See the “political attacks on me” tweet as an example, which coincidentally was posted the day prior to his sexual assault allegations. The man has bought Twitter for the purposes of distracting and manipulating the public.

I am still amazed the DoD will work with this guy. Yes, there are thousands of people at Space X, many of them former government employees that are well (and still) respected by their colleagues on civil/military side, but the latitude this guy gets...

Why wouldn't they? He's not the CEO and there are still things he knows to keep his mouth shut about.

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Post by daniel-cussen »

deelowe wrote: post #303
ethanbond wrote: post #218

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Yeah, since the BI story – and in particular his attempt to frontrun it and turn his personal legal troubles into a culture war battleground – I think we can assume pretty slimy tactics from Musk.

I started assuming this after Musk called that cave exploration expert in Thailand a pedophile.

Hey after all that activity on Twitter you gotta give him leeway at some point, just like a cop who's been in a thousand conflicts gets a pass when things go wrong, there has to be a margin of error.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by akudha »

mjr00 wrote: post #250
xmodem wrote: post #155

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While this may be true from the perspective of upper management, it is a very shitty way to treat the people who work for you, or would like to.

What's the alternative? Telling all of your employees "hey we're thinking about layoffs that may or may not happen, and we don't know who will be affected" would be a massive morale hit and make people leave. Until the final decision is made -- and this is a hard decision that everyone, including upper management, wants to avoid making until absolutely necessary -- it's best to keep it close to the chest. Just becaus…

this is a hard decision that everyone, including upper management

I call bullshit on the inclusion of "upper management". To think upper management cares about anything other than short term profits (and their own bonuses) is just naive. When COVID hit, the company I worked for laid off 40 people (we were just a couple of hundred employees in total). You know how they laid them off? One morning they simply asked the sysadmin to turn off their logins.

It is not a "hard decision" - to them, it is just like throwing away a chair or a table. Remember that dude who laid off 900 something people on a zoom call and shit talking them later? You mentioned morale, what do you think happens the morale of the people who found half of their (small) team laid off with zero warning, like it happened to my team?

There may be exceptions of course, but it is safe to say most companies don't give a shit about their employees, even their star employees.

I am not complaining about layoffs here (though the way they do it is cruel). Just pointing out that companies are not as heartbroken about it as you seem to think. It is just business

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Post by infamouscow »

mbesto wrote: post #141
user3939382 wrote: post #135

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> erratic decision making from Mr Musk I'd be the last person to defend Elon Musk, I don't know the guy, but just want to point out that when you're at his level of wealth and power you also have very wealthy, powerful enemies. I see ongoing, what appears to be coordinated, attempts in the mainstream/social media to paint him as crazy. I have no special access to the truth but I'd be unsurprised if those stories are…

> I see an ongoing, what appears to be coordinated, attempts in the mainstream/social media to paint him as crazy. The parent never used the word crazy, you did. His behavior is erratic. I don't know how that's not obvious to anyone watching him. Does it make him crazy? I don't know, but he is most certainly erratic.

So he should be condemned because he behaves differently than you?

As a reminder, this kind of thinking lead to the worst atrocities of 20th century history.

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Post by Seriomino »

ericbarrett wrote: post #16

A couple of days ago somebody posted this Reddit thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/v2lpdw/e... "Tesla expanded massively during Covid, as of now half of the dev team(including me) don’t have parking space or desk. It’s physically impossible for everyone to return to office. "Should I ignore the email, or should I drive to the office and sit under the stairs?" Commenters' general feeling was…

Smart right?

Should be enough time to evaluate whom to keep and not offending anyone directly by stating economic issues

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Post by hedora »

PheonixPharts wrote: post #269
ericbarrett wrote: post #16

A couple of days ago somebody posted this Reddit thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/v2lpdw/e... "Tesla expanded massively during Covid, as of now half of the dev team(including me) don’t have parking space or desk. It’s physically impossible for everyone to return to office. "Should I ignore the email, or should I drive to the office and sit under the stairs?" Commenters' general feeling was…

I'm suspecting that we'll see forced return to office as a way to implement layoffs without as much bad PR. Stock will go up since costs will drop, but management will be able to say that is more an issue with return to office rather than a company failing. "We're doing great, it's just that some employees don't share our commitment and focus on doing things well, and making our mission a priority." There has been a…

Here's the covid sewage data for Silicon Valley:

https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboard-wastewater

A week or so ago, it didn't look too bad. It is indeed much worse than I realized right now.

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Post by wutbrodo »

photochemsyn wrote: post #279
wutbrodo wrote: post #228

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You're having a conversation with a person you're imagining. Nobody is disagreeing that systems built around transit/biking/etc are better than car-oriented ones. They're saying that an individual in the latter system may still need to drive. In case you've forgotten, your original comment was in response to a specific individual, suggesting that he didn't need to drive.

Google "man walks to work" for heartwarming tales about the kindness of strangers in dystopian Third World America. White-collar workers now get to experience the blue-collar reality that neoliberalism created. Fun times for all, and remember, shared suffering builds community consciousness. Let's all eat cake together!

Got it, you're just completely detached from reality and don't actually understand anything people are saying to you on the thread. Take care

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Post by the_only_law »

wil421 wrote: post #115
massysett wrote: post #79

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It's keeping a lot of people at home who otherwise would be in downtowns or suburban office districts buying lunch, having clothes drycleaned, stopping in stores, buying gas, etc.

Dry cleaning being the exception, I believe I spend more in my local neighborhood than ever before. If anything I’m giving more to the local stores rather than some far downtown area or sprawling office complex area.

I certainly was out a lot less during most of the 2019-2021 times, but that was mostly because COVID.

Funny enough I probably go out more now than I did before, something about WFH is a lot less draining and I don’t feel the urge to take a unexpected nap at 6pm.

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Post by daniel-cussen »

sitkack wrote: post #96
lr wrote: post #81

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Why not WFT: Work From (a) Tesla? Of course, it would have to be, "at the office," (read, parking lot) otherwise the worker would get fired.

And since the Teslas are self driving, they can just roam the public roads while people work, an endless TS (Tesla Stream) cycling between two superchargers.

That actually is a really good idea, they'll figure out problems real quick that way. Very very good idea.

EDIT: If your job in Tesla is on the line proposing working out of a Tesla is your best bet to save it.

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