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Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by Simon321 »

myrmidon wrote: post #59
tgv wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and it still feels a lot like Searle's Chinese Room. It's as if it skips a dozen steps. Well, that's exactly what happens, of course. But it does show that the network can match linguistic descriptions to images extraordinarily well.

Do you find the Chinese Room argument convincing? Do you feel that the human mind is more than an "appropriately" trained "biological" neural network? What do you consider the limits of a DALL-E like system compared to a "true" mind? My personal opinion is that the Chinese Room argument is fancy handwaving that crucially relies on never being explicit about what it means by "understanding", combined with an appeal to…

> My personal opinion is that the Chinese Room argument is fancy handwaving that crucially relies on never being explicit about what it means by "understanding", combined with an appeal to intuition.

bingo

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by fullshark »

natly wrote: post #68
fullshark wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree that this is unimpressive, but do largely agree about AI winter. Dall-E 2 is probably the most impressive AI implementation I can recall in the past 5-10 years and it's still highly specialized problem being solved, and it's unclear what market it really can go after other than freelancing digital artists online who work for tiny commissions. I guess it's also gonna be great for NFTs but I consider that ma…

I am definitely going to bet against the "AI winter is returning" idea by investing huge amounts of my time into understanding these algorithms. History doesn't have to repeat, sometimes that's the foolish prediction (the apple newton was made fun of by the simpsons but when the ipad came out the timing was perfect). I don't like overinflating OpenAIs already enormous ego but these are incredible images.

Agree there's no reason it has to come again, just things got so hyped the past 5-10 years I wouldn't be surprised if a reality check on the horizon involves a "winter" of sorts and paring down of investment, as it becomes clear that current techniques are great at highly specialized problems where there is a lot of data. There's lots of firms that have both though so maybe it just keeps chugging along as ROI is found.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by andreilys »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #62
mensetmanusman wrote: post #14

This is amazing. We are at the precipice of someone releasing a $100M blockbuster movie just based on the language in the script with zero cost beyond compute. What will this mean for the future of entertainment…

On the one hand, the ability for Star Trek's Holodeck to create large amounts of content from a few terse natural language instructions is look less and less implausible. On the other hand, I feel like this will ultimately be kinda like traditional procgen algorithms: once you've seen enough of what it produces it all starts feeling very bland and same-y. Sure, the AI may be able to produce a feature-length movie bas…

it would lack the novelty and playfulness of a good human creative work, and it likely would be very shallow in its themes.

Simply tune the parameters associated with novelty and playfulness and you’ll get the desired result.

There’s nothing inherent in human creativity that can’t be replicated by an AI. Most creative work is derivative and remix’s prior art.

This is a good short video on the phenomenon of remixing https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ2GuvUWaP8

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by natly »

fullshark wrote: post #72
natly wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am definitely going to bet against the "AI winter is returning" idea by investing huge amounts of my time into understanding these algorithms. History doesn't have to repeat, sometimes that's the foolish prediction (the apple newton was made fun of by the simpsons but when the ipad came out the timing was perfect). I don't like overinflating OpenAIs already enormous ego but these are incredible images.

Agree there's no reason it has to come again, just things got so hyped the past 5-10 years I wouldn't be surprised if a reality check on the horizon involves a "winter" of sorts and paring down of investment, as it becomes clear that current techniques are great at highly specialized problems where there is a lot of data. There's lots of firms that have both though so maybe it just keeps chugging along as ROI is foun…

Well the investment landscape in general is kinda drying up (innovation is getting harder) and AI is one of the few areas that could or is bearing fruit so that's a big part of it too (even hardware and software is kinda stagnating). If investment is going to go anywhere AI is still one of the few places in the world that could have 100x returns (despite many frauds, yes).

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by xeromal »

sp332 wrote: post #9

Does that mean the developers put The Big Lebowski through the model during training? Where did they get all the movies and TV shows from? And does copying so directly from the source material open them and users up to copyright infringement liability?

I would hope that the spirit of the law would be considered in this. This is a clear application of fair use. Are the owners of the IP losing money on letting someone generate new characters in their movie/show?

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by PheonixPharts »

gk1 wrote: post #45
PheonixPharts wrote: post #24

These are honestly not very impressive (no sarcasm here) and further convince me that the next AI Winter will come with this coming recession. Don't get me wrong, they are still impressive in the quality of the visual they produce, but just like Markov Chain demos of old, they're neat but way miss the mark. None of these capture the "feel" of Kermit the Frog. Most of them look like weird designs for the Ninja Turtles…

> Again if this was done on someone's laptop it would be really impressive. However the fact that so much talent and resources were poured into pushing AI to it's limits and this is what we get tells me we've hit another brick wall as far as research goes. You might be missing the point of what OpenAI is doing. The point is to show off the capability of their models in a way that's likely to go viral and lead to more…

> but when they launched GitHub Copilot...

What happened next? Is anyone using copilot for serious work? Has it changed programming in a fundamental way?

I personally have zero use for copilot since the for type of code I write the actual code writing is not a bottle neck, so automating that process is of no value to me. On top of that getting the details exactly right is essential so the ratio of boiler plate to real code is very, very low for me.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by deusum »

PheonixPharts wrote: post #24

These are honestly not very impressive (no sarcasm here) and further convince me that the next AI Winter will come with this coming recession. Don't get me wrong, they are still impressive in the quality of the visual they produce, but just like Markov Chain demos of old, they're neat but way miss the mark. None of these capture the "feel" of Kermit the Frog. Most of them look like weird designs for the Ninja Turtles…

Your take on Kermit is too literal. Allow some artistic license. And you neglect all of the other thematic elements from the prompt.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by ryanklee »

natly wrote: post #53
witheld wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The computer was asked to produce photos of Kermit the frog. It failed spectacularly at rendering anything resembling Kermit the frog.

These are crazy takes honestly

Agreed. They are self-evident, high-quality representations of KtF. When faced with disagreement on that, it's hard to know what to say in response to convince someone other than to point to another canonical representation of KtF and say, "These are the same."
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