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Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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Rising sea levels can also end Korean BBQ in LA.

What does sea level have to do with Korean BBQ in LA? Here's the last ~90 years of tide gauge readings from LA, a slightly rising straight line:

The relative sea level trend is 1.04 millimeters/year with a 95% confidence interval of +/- 0.22 mm/yr based on monthly mean sea level data from 1923 to 2021 which is equivalent to a change of 0.34 feet in 100 years.

https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station....

Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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I get wanting to move off these fuels for the big stuff, but surely there can still be some room for novelty. Korean BBQ is fantastic.

Yeah, I also think it's the wrong priority - I mean, what are you going to replace them with? Electric stoves? Then you'd better make sure that the electricity is 100% from renewable sources, otherwise you'll be burning fossil fuels to convert to electricity (with limited efficiency) and then using that electricity to heat stuff (again, with limited efficiency). Then it's much better to burn the fossil fuel to direct…

Induction stoves are quite efficient. Gas stoves, perhaps counterintuitively, are not. This is mostly because the considerable majority of the heat from the flame goes around the pot without heating it. (A pot on a grate is a terrible heat exchanger.) So it is not obviously a loss to burn gas to make electricity and then to use that electricity to cook. It may even be a win.

All of this ignores that electric cooking can use renewable sources and that gas fired plants can control NOx emissions.

Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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If only there was something renewable we could make or grow and could make a flame... but even if sucha thing was invented i guess that wouldn't have the centuries old traditional essence of natural gas any more?

Is this a wood joke? I'm not sure you want everyone burning wood.

Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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I always find laughable when governments are scolding or limiting peasants for basically nothing, while ignoring the elephant in the room.

* You need to conserve the water, California peasant! Ignore the fact that 80% of water in California is consumed by agriculture and we are not going to do anything about it.

* You need to stop using your gas stove, peasant! Ignore the fact that we are going to switch off Diablo Nuclear Power plant and replace it with gas plants.

Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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I've got a Control Freak, probably the highest end induction cooktop available for a home chef, and is even used in 3 michelin star restaurants like Alinea. It's amazing for consistency, holding temperature, and a dozen other things. It's quite responsive in general! But I still reach for my Iwatani butane stove and copper saucepot sometimes. These are still significantly more responsive even than a top of the line i…

Well... I'm full-electric since years and I still have to find a device that really match gas... Induction for me is NEVER able to hold a certain temperature, essentially all plate I've used at low temp just run-and-stop continuously witch combined to very thick pot allow a nearly-constant temp but definitively not much constant. Classic resistance on aluminum alloy and non-stick PTFE coating on contrary can regulate…

The cooker needs to work on continuous mode for setting the power, rather than pulse mode most (all?) of them do.

Perhaps there exist such pro versions.

Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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post #25

Rising sea levels can also end Korean BBQ in LA.

What does sea level have to do with Korean BBQ in LA? Here's the last ~90 years of tide gauge readings from LA, a slightly rising straight line: The relative sea level trend is 1.04 millimeters/year with a 95% confidence interval of +/- 0.22 mm/yr based on monthly mean sea level data from 1923 to 2021 which is equivalent to a change of 0.34 feet in 100 years. https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_statio…

> What does sea level have to do with Korean BBQ in LA?

You can't have Korean BBQ in LA if there's no LA ;-)

Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well... I'm full-electric since years and I still have to find a device that really match gas... Induction for me is NEVER able to hold a certain temperature, essentially all plate I've used at low temp just run-and-stop continuously witch combined to very thick pot allow a nearly-constant temp but definitively not much constant. Classic resistance on aluminum alloy and non-stick PTFE coating on contrary can regulate…

The cooker needs to work on continuous mode for setting the power, rather than pulse mode most (all?) of them do. Perhaps there exist such pro versions.

Perhaps, so far I have seen "relatively few" induction plate of various vendor and shape, none do that at low/mean temp, only pushed to the maximum (witch is used normally just to boil since for frying means melting the fryer itself, so where "the right temp" does not count that much). IR models, including some pro one from a restaurant of some friends, do the same, but at least heating outside the pot the effect is less seen inside. Classic resistance direct coupled with the pot (coated aluminum, BBQ-alike plachas etc) do the same, all seems to be unable to regulate the heat, that's means they can only run full power and regulate temp choosing how much alternate on-and-off states...

Theoretically I can imaging an induction plate made of many very small coils stitched together in a matrix so it's possible power only some of them using the metal of the pot and round-robin rotation of powered coils to keep the heat well spread and a constant transfer of little heat as needed, but so far I do not see anything like that on sale. I only see some pot with small steel inserts in an aluminum alloy to spread better the heat in the pot, some others mix different stratus of materials to achieve something similar but all can't compensate the irregular source of heat much.

Theoretically I suppose IR plate can do the same, so classic resistance instead of a single bend costantan-alike "pipe" (sorry for my English, not my motherlanguage) can be a set of smaller ones with a controller to power just some, but again I do not see anything similar on sale.

Perhaps having a thermometer inside the pot instead of in the plate might be of help to mitigate the effect, but it's hard to achieve, similarly tie a plate with specific pot to ensure a certain behavior can mitigate, but definitively not solve the issue. We have apparently no way to compensate heat dispersion - heat generation...

Just try yourself: put a pot on a plate, with a very thin stratus of cooking oil (<1mm) or just a thinker (<4mm) of water and set the plate to the minimum, you'll see alternation of frying/boiling moment and "low heat" ones. An optical thermometer can easily confirm. For induction even noise can confirm the origin, a power meter can equally certify that.

Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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I always find laughable when governments are scolding or limiting peasants for basically nothing, while ignoring the elephant in the room. * You need to conserve the water, California peasant! Ignore the fact that 80% of water in California is consumed by agriculture and we are not going to do anything about it. * You need to stop using your gas stove, peasant! Ignore the fact that we are going to switch off Diablo N…

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Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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I've got a Control Freak, probably the highest end induction cooktop available for a home chef, and is even used in 3 michelin star restaurants like Alinea. It's amazing for consistency, holding temperature, and a dozen other things. It's quite responsive in general! But I still reach for my Iwatani butane stove and copper saucepot sometimes. These are still significantly more responsive even than a top of the line i…

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Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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post #43
post #8

If only there was something renewable we could make or grow and could make a flame... but even if sucha thing was invented i guess that wouldn't have the centuries old traditional essence of natural gas any more?

Is this a wood joke? I'm not sure you want everyone burning wood.

Just the korean BBQs. Wood, or other biofuel that gets you a flame.
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