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Re: Tell HN: I'm Afraid We're Shutting Down

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

Thanks for your Service, Richard.

I do know that there's a chap from Florida that has done something similar. I can't remember exactly what his HN handle was, but we had a rather prickly exchange, some time back.

If you are interested in providing services like this in the future, he might not be a bad person to team up with.

I wish you (and he) the very best of luck, in your future endeavors. I'm pretty big on that ol' "second chance" thing.

[EDITED TO ADD] This article is interesting. What makes it even more interesting, is the author of the article (It's NYT, so there may be a paywall): https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/04/opinion/clean-slate-incar...

[EDITED TO ADD (2)] The person I mentioned is one of your replies. He runs Underdog Devs: https://www.underdogdevs.org/

Re: Tell HN: I'm Afraid We're Shutting Down

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Post by braingenious »

Aeolun wrote: post #220
braingenious wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many people got a job and quit after a few days as you described? Did this have any impact on recidivism? Is it possible that these employees found better jobs? If so, could it have theoretically been possible to retain them had you offered better wages, benefits or assignments? I just don’t fundamentally understand the position of “I had a group of people that truly needed my business, but a phenomenon called Th…

It’s kinda odd. I’d expect people to be happy to have a new job, but if they (regularly) quit after only a few days, then it sounds like being jobless is more comfortable for them (they can’t all find a different position after just a few days).

Either they like being jobless (which isn’t really a typical type of person in my experience), or the job itself was terrible due to pay, commute, working conditions, company culture, etc. or they were able to find more favorable employment outside of 70M.

I would love to know what jobs were difficult to fill and how much they paid because “The Great Resignation” narrative (kind of conveniently) squarely puts the blame for the failure of this business on a caricature of lazy poors and the government. This narrative also absolutely vindicates the founder and management because the demise is because of an uncontrollable external force.

Re: Tell HN: I'm Afraid We're Shutting Down

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Post by joe_the_user »

RBBronson123 wrote: post #145

There seems to be some confusion here over my use of the expression, "The Great Resignation." https://www.investopedia.com/the-great-resignation-5199074 This is a economic/workforce phenomenon that began amidst the pandemic and continues. (The NY Times reported today that there are 11.4 million unfilled jobs. That's historically off the charts.) My company operates/ed a job board and a staffing business. Both ran lik…

This describes the "Great Resignation" but doesn't explain it.

Of course, there are a lot of things going on. However, I think one important thing is that American workplaces, over the last twenty or more years, gradually accumulated immensely toxic/abusive cultures. At the point of the pandemic, when many people had unemployment/work-at-home/savings, a lot of workers' had their tolerance of that interrupted and then just refused to return.

The thing with the situation is toxic work environments basically are going to double down on their claims, their view of what a sane environment and reasonable pay are. So these organizations are eating through employees and so they'd be the worst customers of a job board. The question how much 70m Record vetted their customers.

Article explaining the toxic angle: https://www.greatplacetowork.com/resources/blog/how-toxic-co...

Employees discuss their views: https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/

Re: Tell HN: I'm Afraid We're Shutting Down

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Post by rtpg »

braingenious wrote: post #213
RBBronson123 wrote: post #145

There seems to be some confusion here over my use of the expression, "The Great Resignation." https://www.investopedia.com/the-great-resignation-5199074 This is a economic/workforce phenomenon that began amidst the pandemic and continues. (The NY Times reported today that there are 11.4 million unfilled jobs. That's historically off the charts.) My company operates/ed a job board and a staffing business. Both ran lik…

How many people got a job and quit after a few days as you described? Did this have any impact on recidivism? Is it possible that these employees found better jobs? If so, could it have theoretically been possible to retain them had you offered better wages, benefits or assignments? I just don’t fundamentally understand the position of “I had a group of people that truly needed my business, but a phenomenon called Th…

Staffing agencies, from a super cynical point of view, take a slice of money that would otherwise go to the people actually working.

I think in the more nuanced view staffing agencies allow people with irregular rhythms to still have a job. And of course helping people actually get a foot in the door! But if you're going to work full time anyways, and there's more open-ness to you being hired, why go through a staffing agency? I think the reasons end up being limited to "could not get hired yourself".

Re: Tell HN: I'm Afraid We're Shutting Down

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Post by m3talsmith »

netsharc wrote: post #48
braingenious wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would also like more information about this phenomenon. What’s the scale of this? For example, how many people accepted a job and then quit within a few days? How did it impact these people’s lives? For example, did this result in increased recidivism? If so, at what scale?

The Great Resignation is curious, if I could speculate maybe it was the pandemic bailout and markets bubble (crypto too) making people think "I've got money now!". Now that everything is tumbling down, I wonder if people will start returning to work. Except now most businesses have seemingly stopped hiring yet again (even retail/hospitality?), so I guess whichever way it goes, OP is in trouble.

The great resignation was mostly about us who could survive a paycheck or two, leveraging the chaos to demand our value: if the current employer wouldn’t pay it, others would. We didn’t hesitate to move and make the previous employer pay for their neglect of us.

Re: Tell HN: I'm Afraid We're Shutting Down

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Post by [deleted] »

Jiro wrote: post #199
javajosh wrote: post #119

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America is so strange. On one hand, nearly everyone thinks the system doesn't work. And yet, they tacitly assume the justice system works. They think it works just like on TV - innocent until proven guilty, detail-oriented public defenders and judges, and scrupulously honest prosecutors and police. It's nothing like that. The justice system is a machine that chews people up, and spits out convicts, and it operates wi…

I think you basically answered your own objection. Probably 90% of convicted criminals are really criminals, and that's why people are suspicious of hiring them. The point of this project wasn't "get convicts hired because 10% of them are innocent", it was "get convicts hired because even though 90% of them are guilty, that's okay." It's called "70 million" because that's the total number of convicts, not an estimate…

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Re: Tell HN: I'm Afraid We're Shutting Down

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Post by acalzycalzy »

«Now our workers were reticent to come back to work. And if they did accept a job, they’d often leave after only a few days.»

Something i was arguing in another post and all you tech warriors sitting in your desk chairs didn’t think it could be true.

People are lazy

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