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Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by vijaybritto »

swayvil wrote: post #460
thelit wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Dalit myself, I wrote a Dalit 101 for non Indian audience. https://thelit.substack.com/p/dalit-101

What if you just lie and tell everybody that you're brahmin (or whatever the alpha caste is)? Do you need identifying papers? Is there a big market for forgeries?

I wish it were that easy. First of all lying like that is near impossible unless you know every single thing done in a Brahmin household, you'll be caught eventually. In a workplace setting, you might be boycotted but if this were in India, you have a high chance of getting murdered brutally.

Dalits get killed for just riding a horse, walking through upper caste residential streets and many normal things. In this scale a Brahmin name would be deadly

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by PeterisP »

walkhour wrote: post #379
lyaa wrote: post #373

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Do you not see the logical link by which these more general studies contextualize and support my earlier statements?

I see why you may think that way, but I don't think you're right. I guess for you it's a given QA jobs are "inferior" to SWE jobs. I guess you believe the articles you linked proof women tend to get "inferior" jobs just because they're women? (I haven't read the articles, although I believe this to be true). I just can't make the jump that this applies to QA jobs (granting they are "inferior"). That would imply "infe…

The average salaries in QA are noticeably lower than those in SWE, so those are indeed "inferior jobs" - i.e. less attractive, and pushing some group from one to the other would be discriminatory because it would underpay that group.

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by dang »

bobobob420 wrote: post #191
MontyCarloHall wrote: post #5

A good read for some additional context on caste discrimination in the American tech industry: https://www.wired.com/story/trapped-in-silicon-valleys-hidde...

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Would you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? Your posts in this thread have been way over the line, and you've unfortunately done posted this way to other threads too. We ban accounts that do that.

I'm not going to ban your account right now but we need you to read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules if you want to keep posting here.

On a topic like the current one, if you want to share some of your own experience and cut out the swipes and putdowns of others, that would be fine. Otherwise it's best not to post.

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by aaron_m04 »

notacoward wrote: post #243
ethbr0 wrote: post #119

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The central issue with discussions about Israel is a failure to differentiate Israel (the state and government) with Judaism (the religion) with Jew/Hebrew (the ethnicity). (And yes, I realize Israel is a multi-ethnic, multi-religious state, but to a first order approximation and given current political dynamics... it's not) Given that there are relatively few states with as intertwined religions and historical atroc…

> failure to differentiate Israel (the state and government) with Judaism (the religion) with Jew/Hebrew (the ethnicity) That has not been my experience. AFAICT even people who are extremely careful and specific about criticizing the state of Israel - even more specifically the IDF or a political party within Israel responsible for a particular act - still get tarred with the "anti-Semitic" brush. Jewish people have…

Somebody should introduce Israeli government hardliners to the concept of "blowback".

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by rusticpenn »

swayvil wrote: post #460
thelit wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Dalit myself, I wrote a Dalit 101 for non Indian audience. https://thelit.substack.com/p/dalit-101

What if you just lie and tell everybody that you're brahmin (or whatever the alpha caste is)? Do you need identifying papers? Is there a big market for forgeries?

It’s pretty easy to find out. There are identifiers from the name to the dialect one speaks, what you eat etc

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by dang »

Related threads - others?

Trapped in Silicon Valley’s hidden caste system - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30515099 - March 2022 (543 comments)

India’s tech sector reinforces old caste divides - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29994226 - Jan 2022 (5 comments)

The Casteism I See in America and American Tech Companies - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29133517 - Nov 2021 (5 comments)

How Big Tech Is Importing India’s Caste Legacy to Silicon Valley - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26435117 - March 2021 (195 comments)

Caste discrimination in some of Silicon Valley's richest tech companies - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24952698 - Oct 2020 (322 comments)

India’s engineers have thrived in the tech industry. So has its caste system - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24923338 - Oct 2020 (6 comments)

How India's ancient caste system is ruining lives in Silicon Valley - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24555492 - Sept 2020 (47 comments)

Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24552047 - Sept 2020 (613 comments)

Silicon Valley Has a Caste Discrimination Problem - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24065132 - Aug 2020 (14 comments)

California sues Cisco alleging discrimination based on India’s caste system - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23798922 - July 2020 (56 comments)

California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23697083 - July 2020 (592 comments)

Ask HN: There is caste system in the Silicon Valley? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13704504 - Feb 2017 (6 comments)

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by swayvil »

vijaybritto wrote: post #461
swayvil wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if you just lie and tell everybody that you're brahmin (or whatever the alpha caste is)? Do you need identifying papers? Is there a big market for forgeries?

I wish it were that easy. First of all lying like that is near impossible unless you know every single thing done in a Brahmin household, you'll be caught eventually. In a workplace setting, you might be boycotted but if this were in India, you have a high chance of getting murdered brutally. Dalits get killed for just riding a horse, walking through upper caste residential streets and many normal things. In this sca…

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Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by nyolfen »

sashu123 wrote: post #363

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> I can assure you there is no hidden community of brahmins that look out for each other and help each other succeed and I doubt there is for most castes in India.

2 seconds on google https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cisco-lawsuit/california-...

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