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How to make decisions like a poker player

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Re: How to make decisions like a poker player

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Is this site related to Knowledge Project / Farnam Street (fs.blog), a competitor, or just a ripoff???

I noticed because I read what seems to be the exact article there, with the same illustrations and everything on fs a couple weeks ago. Maybe it was a link in the newsletter to this article.

Looking around there is a lot of overlap in content.

Re: How to make decisions like a poker player

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Well you can play millions of poker hands online. Life isn't like that. You have only ~30 years, and you have 30 * 365 = 10950 hands if we count each day as a hand. So what you need to work on is how you define "success" in life. Money is a high variance objective, whereas self-improvement is a low variance objective. I think finding a good balance of variance and tolerance to risk is a key to happiness.

30 years? Maybe your tolerance to risk is a bit on the high side...

Re: How to make decisions like a poker player

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This article, like Duke's book, has a solid premise, but fails to provide any actionable advice aside from a simple risk/reward framework. When I read the book, I was hoping there would be more information about how to properly handicap various situations, but there just wasn't. Business and life decisions aren't as simple as calculating pot odds and outs. Anyone who has estimated a complex and unfamiliar programming…

The largest fault in the practical (life) applications of probabilistic thinking is that estimating the odds in real-time is often impossible. Poker is a constrained environment where the odds are computable.

It's a useful framework for thinking in various situations, but it is almost never going to reduce to an equation that can tell you some objectively correct answer or decision.

Re: How to make decisions like a poker player

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I'm a serious but hobbyist player with ~15k hands last month. The thinking like a poker player is mostly about being upfront about your risk tolerances and then having a culture supporting people who make the best risk adjusted decision, even if it doesn't work out. Expected Value is complicated because a 50% chance for $100 is the same as a 10% chance at $1000. It's the variance, not the EV that makes a lot of decis…

I also like the discourse on bankrolls and bets sizing. I think being able to correctly size your bets is such a great, albeit challenging skill to have in the real world.

Go here for more focused practise: https://static.loop54.com/ship-investor.html

Re: How to make decisions like a poker player

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I'm a serious but hobbyist player with ~15k hands last month. The thinking like a poker player is mostly about being upfront about your risk tolerances and then having a culture supporting people who make the best risk adjusted decision, even if it doesn't work out. Expected Value is complicated because a 50% chance for $100 is the same as a 10% chance at $1000. It's the variance, not the EV that makes a lot of decis…

Where's the best place to play online? Non-US citizen.

Re: How to make decisions like a poker player

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I'm a serious but hobbyist player with ~15k hands last month. The thinking like a poker player is mostly about being upfront about your risk tolerances and then having a culture supporting people who make the best risk adjusted decision, even if it doesn't work out. Expected Value is complicated because a 50% chance for $100 is the same as a 10% chance at $1000. It's the variance, not the EV that makes a lot of decis…

>Get rid of people who are either take too big risks, and people who don't take risks.

The alternative to getting rid of these people, is offering positions to them that better match their risk tolerances.

Re: How to make decisions like a poker player

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I think life is way more complex than the poker. Yes the mindset could be useful, but mindset without proper data is not going to help a lot.

Here is what I'm thinking: How about we go up a level, and accept that life is basically random and a lot is decided by luck (your gene is luck, your childhood education is also luck, these two pretty much decide a lot of things), as indicated in the article, but maintain a (meta) mindset that can manoeuvre around or even mitigate negative emotions?

For example:

- Realize that probability is useful in poker but not that useful in life, thus it is impossible to calculate mathematical expectation.

- Learn to harden one against impulsive emotional acts (impulsive purchase, suicidal thoughts, etc.).

- Learn to control one's material requirements and save some $$ for rainy days.

- Keep connections active so when really bad days come maybe someone can get you out.

Re: How to make decisions like a poker player

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The author sounds like a losing poker player. If my calling frequency is based entirely on pot odds, a good opponent would just start bluffing me out of every pot by increasing their bet size to a point where I can’t profitably call.

> The author sounds like a losing poker player. Annie Duke has cashed 39 times at the WSOP and has won at least four million dollars at tournaments alone. Any good poker player would understand that the example was simplified for a non-playing audience. It’s so obvious it didn’t need to be stated.

> has won at least four million dollars at tournaments alone.

This is most certainly not true, because it doesn't subtract the cost of all the entry fees, to the tournaments she cashed and the dozens or hundreds she didn't.

"alone" implies she has won additional money in non-tournament play, when there is no evidence she is a winning cash player.

Finally, there is a LOT more to the Annie Duke story. Morally, ethically, business-wise. A winner? A little research goes a long way.

Re: How to make decisions like a poker player

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I'm a serious but hobbyist player with ~15k hands last month. The thinking like a poker player is mostly about being upfront about your risk tolerances and then having a culture supporting people who make the best risk adjusted decision, even if it doesn't work out. Expected Value is complicated because a 50% chance for $100 is the same as a 10% chance at $1000. It's the variance, not the EV that makes a lot of decis…

As someone who used to live with a pro poker player that might be the beginning but it really comes down to the psychological aspect of being able to disconnect and deal with losing a TON of money in the short term. You need to be able to quit, consistently, after losing massive amounts and then come back and do it all again the next day. Over and over. And the losing streaks can be long.

Re: How to make decisions like a poker player

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I'm a serious but hobbyist player with ~15k hands last month. The thinking like a poker player is mostly about being upfront about your risk tolerances and then having a culture supporting people who make the best risk adjusted decision, even if it doesn't work out. Expected Value is complicated because a 50% chance for $100 is the same as a 10% chance at $1000. It's the variance, not the EV that makes a lot of decis…

I think you meant a 50% chance for $100 is the same as a 5% chance for $1000 right? Just... funny math error as I was like, wait, no... I'll take the 10% chance at $1000 every time! (unless I'm desperate for my next meal, then, as you say, the lower variance would point to higher certainty of some money vs max expected value)

EDIT: I see someone else noticed this further down than I looked in comments, sorry for dupe.

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