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ExpressVPN now belongs to Kape Technologies, which has a colorful history: https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/what-is-kape... https://www.reuters.com/technology/kape-technologies-buys-ex...
If you want a decent sized paid VPN service, you are basically choosing between Nord and Kape now. Pepsi and Coca cola.
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Realistically, these things are mainly used to pirate and break the ToS of various websites ("Netflix from other countries", "buy games at cheaper rates"). With ISPs in some countries selling their customers' browsing data to advertisers, I don't think these shady VPN companies are much worse than not using them for a shockingly large amount of people. Mullvad seems to come out pretty clean whenever these shady VPN p…
I just pay for the most expensive ISP. Edit: Not sure why the downvotes but I don't live in the US, if that matters.
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I assume all VPN providers as honeypots by default, until they are proven otherwise.
Realistically, these things are mainly used to pirate and break the ToS of various websites ("Netflix from other countries", "buy games at cheaper rates"). With ISPs in some countries selling their customers' browsing data to advertisers, I don't think these shady VPN companies are much worse than not using them for a shockingly large amount of people. Mullvad seems to come out pretty clean whenever these shady VPN p…
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Usually such laws target consumer VPNs but I don't have more insights on this specific case
Here's the specific order: https://www.cert-in.org.in/PDF/CERT-In_Directions_70B_28.04.... Bottom of page 3 says: > Data Centres, Virtual Private Server (VPS) providers, Cloud Service providers and Virtual Private Network Service (VPN Service) providers, shall be required to register the following accurate information which must be maintained by them for a period of 5 years or longer duration as mandated by the law a…
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Their entire business model is premised on the fact that they don't. If they ever were found to be, their hundred million dollar businesses (expressvpn) would vanish. When express has their servers seized in turkey, there was no usable data on them. I know you are super paranoid, but that still doesn't make my point wrong, or using a VPN wrong. Again, if you trust a vpn more than your ISP, that's pretty legitimate in…
Your trust is based on baseless promises and one isolated, possibly even manufactured, incident. I find this to be super naive.
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I just pay for the most expensive ISP. Edit: Not sure why the downvotes but I don't live in the US, if that matters.
What makes you think a more expensive ISP will go against their interests and refuse to maximize their profits by selling access to information that they are legally allowed to share? Are there expensive "privacy"-branded ISPs I'm not aware of?
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/small-isps-oppose-cong...
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> I don't see why that's such an offensive business to so many HN users. Because the assertion VPNs - apparently unlike every other ISP - do not log or monetize your data is simply laughable, especially as so many are based in third-world countries, set up by shell entities and have almost no accountability for any of their claims.
Their entire business model is premised on the fact that they don't. If they ever were found to be, their hundred million dollar businesses (expressvpn) would vanish. When express has their servers seized in turkey, there was no usable data on them. I know you are super paranoid, but that still doesn't make my point wrong, or using a VPN wrong. Again, if you trust a vpn more than your ISP, that's pretty legitimate in…
I certainly wouldn't trust my life to an unaudited VPN, but I think your two main points are pretty compelling -- 1) the business model is of large VPN companies is based on trust. They have very explicit, business interest in not violating that trust. 2) in one case we know of, when seized, the servers didn't have actionable information on them.
Does that mean every VPN company is trustworthy? Of course not. Does it mean that things could change at any time? Of course.
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Realistically, these things are mainly used to pirate and break the ToS of various websites ("Netflix from other countries", "buy games at cheaper rates"). With ISPs in some countries selling their customers' browsing data to advertisers, I don't think these shady VPN companies are much worse than not using them for a shockingly large amount of people. Mullvad seems to come out pretty clean whenever these shady VPN p…
I just pay for the most expensive ISP. Edit: Not sure why the downvotes but I don't live in the US, if that matters.
ExpressVPN now belongs to Kape Technologies, which has a colorful history: https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/what-is-kape... https://www.reuters.com/technology/kape-technologies-buys-ex...
If you want a decent sized paid VPN service, you are basically choosing between Nord and Kape now. Pepsi and Coca cola.