Earlier quoted context omitted.
"decent sized" Lots of small coke companies exist too, to use my analogy again.
Mullvad is not small.
Would you accept RC Cola?
- A loyal Mullvad customer
Rejecting data demands, ExpressVPN removes VPN servers in India
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Re: Rejecting data demands, ExpressVPN removes VPN servers in India
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
"decent sized" Lots of small coke companies exist too, to use my analogy again.
Mullvad is not small.
True that. IIRC Mullvad was literally the world’s largest Wireguard deployment until Cloudflare did Warp. Just because people haven’t heard of it doesn’t mean it’s small. They just don’t advertise on shitty podcasts, so it doesn’t have the same brand recognition.
Re: Rejecting data demands, ExpressVPN removes VPN servers in India
#53ExpressVPN now belongs to Kape Technologies, which has a colorful history: https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/what-is-kape... https://www.reuters.com/technology/kape-technologies-buys-ex...
I assume all VPN providers as honeypots by default, until they are proven otherwise.
How could one prove otherwise? (Assuming you can't send in a 5 Eyes team to audit them, haven't hacked their management network, etc.)
Re: Rejecting data demands, ExpressVPN removes VPN servers in India
#54ExpressVPN now belongs to Kape Technologies, which has a colorful history: https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/what-is-kape... https://www.reuters.com/technology/kape-technologies-buys-ex...
I assume all VPN providers as honeypots by default, until they are proven otherwise.
Realistically, these things are mainly used to pirate and break the ToS of various websites ("Netflix from other countries", "buy games at cheaper rates"). With ISPs in some countries selling their customers' browsing data to advertisers, I don't think these shady VPN companies are much worse than not using them for a shockingly large amount of people.
Mullvad seems to come out pretty clean whenever these shady VPN providers show up on the news again. Being able to use them by just transferring some crypto to the right address without even needing to enter a username or email address seems pretty good. If you ever forget your account number, you're out of a month's worth of service at most and can just generate a new account when needed. It's the only commercial VPN I put a moderate amount of trust in, even though I've never used their service.
Re: Rejecting data demands, ExpressVPN removes VPN servers in India
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
I assume all VPN providers as honeypots by default, until they are proven otherwise.
How could one prove otherwise? (Assuming you can't send in a 5 Eyes team to audit them, haven't hacked their management network, etc.)
I think sending in a 5 Eyes team to audit them would result in the VPN provider becoming a honeypot even if they weren't before!
Re: Rejecting data demands, ExpressVPN removes VPN servers in India
#56> Not only is it our policy that we would not accept logging, but we have also specifically designed our VPN servers to not be able to log, including by running in RAM. Do people really believe this bullshit? Empty claims of servers running "in memory" as a meaningful defense against surveillance?
Microsoft used to crow about this stuff a lot of with respect to O365. I remember getting a dirty look when I laughed at the rep.
Their services terminate TLS locally for most tiers of service (Even with the “Government Community Cloud”), so you need to be careful and use VPNs in any scenario where a foreign interest may be interested in what your employees are up to.
Re: Rejecting data demands, ExpressVPN removes VPN servers in India
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
I assume all VPN providers as honeypots by default, until they are proven otherwise.
Realistically, these things are mainly used to pirate and break the ToS of various websites ("Netflix from other countries", "buy games at cheaper rates"). With ISPs in some countries selling their customers' browsing data to advertisers, I don't think these shady VPN companies are much worse than not using them for a shockingly large amount of people. Mullvad seems to come out pretty clean whenever these shady VPN p…
I just pay for the most expensive ISP.
Edit: Not sure why the downvotes but I don't live in the US, if that matters.
Re: Rejecting data demands, ExpressVPN removes VPN servers in India
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"decent sized" Lots of small coke companies exist too, to use my analogy again.
Mullvad is not small.
Mullvad isn't small, and I'm not sure how Nord specifically compares, but its probaubly worth noting they mostly use 100TB, Tzulo, Quadranet, M247, and 31173. They use a bunch of others but not much.
Mullvad for obvious reasons is used for less... wonderful usecases. It's not uncommon for websites to block you due to abuse from that exit. ASN blocking is rather common with mullvad too though that's less avoidable.
I have less info on Nord, although I can see it has about 4x the ip's. No idea if they are more diverse network wise. Their accepted payment methods suck though.
Re: Rejecting data demands, ExpressVPN removes VPN servers in India
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I assume all VPN providers as honeypots by default, until they are proven otherwise.
How could one prove otherwise? (Assuming you can't send in a 5 Eyes team to audit them, haven't hacked their management network, etc.)
One can't really, which is why these absurd claims of "we wont monitor your traffic" should be assumed to be blatant falsehoods.
Re: Rejecting data demands, ExpressVPN removes VPN servers in India
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> I don't see why that's such an offensive business to so many HN users. Because the assertion VPNs - apparently unlike every other ISP - do not log or monetize your data is simply laughable, especially as so many are based in third-world countries, set up by shell entities and have almost no accountability for any of their claims.
Their entire business model is premised on the fact that they don't. If they ever were found to be, their hundred million dollar businesses (expressvpn) would vanish. When express has their servers seized in turkey, there was no usable data on them. I know you are super paranoid, but that still doesn't make my point wrong, or using a VPN wrong. Again, if you trust a vpn more than your ISP, that's pretty legitimate in…
Your trust is based on baseless promises and one isolated, possibly even manufactured, incident. I find this to be super naive.