A good read for some additional context on caste discrimination in the American tech industry: https://www.wired.com/story/trapped-in-silicon-valleys-hidde...
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Google cancelled a talk on caste bias
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Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias
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Except racism (and "caste-based discrimination" is also racism) shouldn't be considered "politics", everybody should be able to agree that it doesn't have a place in a modern company.
According to people like Robin DiAngelo, white people are inherently racist, as she wrote in her book White Fragility . It’s difficult to say that we can all agree to not be racist when some ideologues from whom’s political ideas companies base DEI initiatives on claim that racism is an immutable characteristic that many of us are born with.
It sounds like Robin DiAngelo is inherently racist.
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Not just caste discrimination, but also sexism. I have worked at least three companies where if there were Indian women, the vast majority were in QA.
There seem to be more women in QA in general. Genuinely asking: Is this also sexism?
At least partly. When I was starting out, I would apply to dev positions only to get offers to interview for lower-paid QA positions. After changing to a gender-neutral nickname and removing all female-identifying terms from my resume, I got the interviews for dev positions.
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Yeah, giving the power of censorship to the masses leads to the opposite of free conversation. And these particular masses do indeed like to flag anything they disagree with. And that message, "You're replying too fast, slow down". Lol. What duplicity.
I've slowly come to the conclusion that it's a form of opinion-shaping. A huge number of people aren't particularly interested in what's true, they're interested in what's _popular_. For argument's sake let's assume it's 80/20, with 10% on each side of a topic very passionate for their side. By banning and/or rate-limiting the 10% you dislike in any issue you can sway the 80% to follow the other side thus "manufactur…
I don't think there's any distinction to be made between what's "true" vs what's "popular" when it comes to online discourse unfortunately. Confirmation bias is one hell of a drug, especially when combined with votes, flagging and reports.
Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias
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I'm not understanding the implication. Does it matter how limited the discrimination is?
The implication is that it's not limited. If they discriminate against Dalits, they probably discriminate against others too.
> The implication is that it's not limited.
Right, but what are the implications of it being limited or not? Is there a tolerable level of discrimination?
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Good thing they've all been dead for close to a hundred years then.
Having stayed in Columbia TN for a decent while, I can tell you that the legacy is alive and well. Really, visit if you ever drive by - the confederate headquaters is in an anti-bellum house where they give tours, and they never say anything bad about the social dynamics of the past. It really leaves an elephant in the room, when they are selling battle flags in the gift shop embroidered with things like history not…
> the legacy is alive and well
I think OP's point is those revering confederates today aren't confederates, they're something else. Sort of like how we term neo-Nazis separately from the historic Nazis.
Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias
#197This is what happens when a for profit company LARPs as an ethical one. On one hand they talk about diversity and on the other they desperately hire people they can pay less from areas of the world where "diversity is our strength" isn't really the norm. So in the end the company makes more money thanks to the cheap labor and it becomes even less inclusive and diverse.
That's pretty harsh. Google would have no trouble hosting a police reform discussion because they have no local PD fearmongering through highly dependent local media. They do have a number of employees who could be made uncomfortable by a discussion of caste. That's hypocrisy. That's doing the easy things. But it isn't an indictment of for profit enterprise.
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#198Do we need every mega-corporation to weigh in on every social issue globally? The thing I like most about work is that its a relatively diverse group of people working together on shared goal. People have known for a long time that work should be professional and you should avoid politics and religion. But I guess people have to relearn these lessons every few decades.
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#199Do we need every mega-corporation to weigh in on every social issue globally? The thing I like most about work is that its a relatively diverse group of people working together on shared goal. People have known for a long time that work should be professional and you should avoid politics and religion. But I guess people have to relearn these lessons every few decades.
That's a DEEPLY blinkered take.
It's not about Google weighing in. It's about Google being aware of these problems, and doing the work to keep those problems out of its workplace.
Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias
#200A good read for some additional context on caste discrimination in the American tech industry: https://www.wired.com/story/trapped-in-silicon-valleys-hidde...
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> There is no caste discrimination in US , he literally lives in a 2 million dollar home
Would you similarly reject the hardships of a successful black American? If he's facing such animus, why do you think it stops elsewhere?
FYI, there are studies [1] and a lawsuit [2] documenting caste discrimination in America.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_discrimination_in_the_Un...
[2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cisco-lawsuit-idUSKBN2423...