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1k True Fans? Try 100 (2020)

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Re: 1k True Fans? Try 100 (2020)

#51
This kind of fan driven art transform artists into dancing monkeys. I mean, there is nothing wrong in that - but makes art bland and utilitarian. It changes thinking from expressing oneself, pushing boundaries, to what can I do to make my fans continue to pay $5. The soul somehow gets lost.

Many artists cannot fit themselves into such regime and end up giving up. I guess that's how humans work.

Re: 1k True Fans? Try 100 (2020)

#52

I work for a company that's very much like Patreon for podcasters (Supercast). The people who will pay $1K a year to support a creator absolutely exist, but they are a small subset of the people who will pay $100 / year, which is itself a very small subset of the people who will listen to your podcast. Some rough numbers: - A podcast with an engaged fan base can usually get about 5% of their listeners to support them…

That's encouraging if you think of it as a funnel optimization problem. What can I do for the $100 per year set? T shirts or other swag? Signed merch? What can I do for the $10 per year set? Stickers?

Interestingly, I think most creators are already doing this intuitively without any analysis telling them to.

Re: 1k True Fans? Try 100 (2020)

#53

I work for a company that's very much like Patreon for podcasters (Supercast). The people who will pay $1K a year to support a creator absolutely exist, but they are a small subset of the people who will pay $100 / year, which is itself a very small subset of the people who will listen to your podcast. Some rough numbers: - A podcast with an engaged fan base can usually get about 5% of their listeners to support them…

That's encouraging if you think of it as a funnel optimization problem. What can I do for the $100 per year set? T shirts or other swag? Signed merch? What can I do for the $10 per year set? Stickers?

Surprisingly we don't have a ton of creators offering swag stuff, I'd have assumed that it would have been a bigger draw (Some of that might have to do with us not really offering any support on our platform, but it's not a common request either).

If there's a "product" to sell, it's usually either the content itself, or access through things like community. But like I said in another comment, how much people spend isn't very correlated with what they get out of it at all.

Re: 1k True Fans? Try 100 (2020)

#54

Newcomers started doing this on twitter for a while and turn social media from platform ads to federation ads network .. it's getting worse, like everybody is literally selling to each other. Remember old "long time no see" friends shown up trying to sell you something? Aghh now everyone pretends to be friend and sell you something.

Reminds me of my first year on DeSo. Money really brings out the worst in people.

Re: 1k True Fans? Try 100 (2020)

#55
Doesn't this sound like inherently bad advice? Fewer number of "fans" means that you risk is centralized around those few fans and their particular requests and demands. I can honestly see this getting very dark, very quickly.

You would rarely argue that a business should centralize around only a limited number of customers.

Re: 1k True Fans? Try 100 (2020)

#56
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On Twitch people commonly give $100 for absolute nothing, just to be thanked by the creator live, which they would do for significantly less money as well, often just $5. I suspect the top tiers at Patreon must work the same, there's some benefit there but people are doing it because they are a megafan and want to show it. I'd be intested in how many of them are living in a false belief / parasocial relationship thou…

Some of these megafan donations are probably fakes, the streamer sending themselves money with an alt in the hope that real people follow. The platform has little incentive to stop that sort of thing.

That is absolutely possible, but there are also definitely people who simply want to support people who do cool stuff, and don't necessarily need anything in addition to the free content in exchange.

Re: 1k True Fans? Try 100 (2020)

#57

I work for a company that's very much like Patreon for podcasters (Supercast). The people who will pay $1K a year to support a creator absolutely exist, but they are a small subset of the people who will pay $100 / year, which is itself a very small subset of the people who will listen to your podcast. Some rough numbers: - A podcast with an engaged fan base can usually get about 5% of their listeners to support them…

That's encouraging if you think of it as a funnel optimization problem. What can I do for the $100 per year set? T shirts or other swag? Signed merch? What can I do for the $10 per year set? Stickers?

I'm not sure about creators, but I get swag and invites from charities and it annoys me. I'm donating to give them resources, if I want a T Shirt I'll buy one myself thanks, I dont need them spending money on me.

Re: 1k True Fans? Try 100 (2020)

#58
I think the shift from big companies deciding the winners to democratized content creators Isa shift in the right direction.

However, has anyone tried to quantify just how difficult it is to get those 100? Even for unpaid followers/listeners I've never managed to get more than a handful.

Re: 1k True Fans? Try 100 (2020)

#59

This kind of fan driven art transform artists into dancing monkeys. I mean, there is nothing wrong in that - but makes art bland and utilitarian. It changes thinking from expressing oneself, pushing boundaries, to what can I do to make my fans continue to pay $5. The soul somehow gets lost. Many artists cannot fit themselves into such regime and end up giving up. I guess that's how humans work.

This bothers me too. I get tons of social media ads for how to make money from music, one of them is Savvy Musician - a stay-at-home Mom with 5 kids who makes Celtic Metal. Her advice centers on finding your micro-niche, which to me feels like just writing the same song over and over, and then digging in it looks like most of her income is from selling merch, so the music ends up being just ads for t-shirts and mugs.

Re: 1k True Fans? Try 100 (2020)

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word 'friend' is really abused these days (guess because of Facebook etc) and people are somehow falling for it. Seems it's becoming quite common (in my circles anyway) that people use the term friend for basically everyone they ever talked or wrote to and 'good friend' for people they had a deeper than casual talk with. And then the drama after because these 'friends' probably didn't think the same about them (i…

I have been called old for using acquaintance a twice. Which feels really weird to me, as I am not that old. ('97) I'd say I have about 3 friends at MOST, altough, more like 1 that I consider to truly be a friend. And I agree, friend is completely misused. On steam, friend means someone you want to be able to contact. On discord its someone you trust (more than regular people) or one you allow to contact you at all (…

97 what the fuck

Ah wait its 2022 :(

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