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Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by LegitShady »

lumost wrote: post #436
glofish wrote: post #420

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Each of these: Markeplace, Forums, Messenger are non sticky and with countless alternatives. For example one could easily have two-three chat apps and use each with different people. I still use Craigslist, I think it works better and has better organization of categories. The main Facebook app, now that is a unique product - yet frankly, from my perspective it feels completely marginalized, the content there is in w…

The degree to which the main FB product rotted during the last few years was extreme. Scrolling FB was still a daily activity for me until the medium was overtaken by outrage. It seems like FB goosed conflict on the platform until everyone decided they’d had enough and left or stopped posting. There is nothing in the newsfeed from my contacts at this point, the feed is either entirely ads or bottom barrel MLM scams.…

have you considered that maybe facebook is giving you content based on other datapoints about you?

Aside from the occasional scam ad, I mostly get animal videos from facebook.

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Post by dazbradbury »

chrisseaton wrote: post #419
nickysielicki wrote: post #400

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To play devils advocate, Facebook is more essential to my life than it ever was before. * Marketplace was a huge success in terms of subsuming Craigslist. The quality of posts and the volume of postings makes me rarely even check Craigslist anymore. * Small forums for various hobbies are almost entirely driven by Facebook groups now, instead of in the past where you’d find some custom bulletin board where the last po…

> The quality of posts On Marketplace?! This blows my mind that you think this. It's a chaotic nightmare. Sellers post everything as free and then separately negotiate a price. Buyers repeatedly ask you if something's still available. Both of these mean something's very wrong with how people understand to use the system.

Plus the scams. There are tonnes and tonnes of them that get reported to us every day. I'm not sure what Facebook are doing to combat it, but it's clearly not working.

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by rconti »

amelius wrote: post #41

> Mark’s belief that people would put their real selves online to connect with other people was so mesmerizing that we stood by that door and talked for the rest of the night. Real selves, ha! More like jealousy (and other negative emotions) evoking versions of selves.

As much as I hated Facebook's attempt-to-validate-your-real-name move back in the day, I think it's made the platform better than the competitors which never even tried.

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Post by lawgimenez »

nickysielicki wrote: post #400
frisco wrote: post #25

I increasingly believe that Facebook’s pivot to Meta will end up going down as one of the biggest misses in the history of business. The metaverse is a real idea yes - but strapping a phone to your face and walking through your coffee table isn’t it. Especially not with a mediocre centralized FB owned “virtual world” where they inflict heavy taxes and content moderation. Facebook has neglected its core businesses for…

To play devils advocate, Facebook is more essential to my life than it ever was before. * Marketplace was a huge success in terms of subsuming Craigslist. The quality of posts and the volume of postings makes me rarely even check Craigslist anymore. * Small forums for various hobbies are almost entirely driven by Facebook groups now, instead of in the past where you’d find some custom bulletin board where the last po…

From where I'm from (Southeast Asia), Facebook is very essential too. From catching up with family, friends and most of the businesses here prefers transacting on Messenger.

We don't really care about Metaverse or anything of the same nature. I think that is just an American thing.

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Post by colinmhayes »

glofish wrote: post #420
nickysielicki wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To play devils advocate, Facebook is more essential to my life than it ever was before. * Marketplace was a huge success in terms of subsuming Craigslist. The quality of posts and the volume of postings makes me rarely even check Craigslist anymore. * Small forums for various hobbies are almost entirely driven by Facebook groups now, instead of in the past where you’d find some custom bulletin board where the last po…

Each of these: Markeplace, Forums, Messenger are non sticky and with countless alternatives. For example one could easily have two-three chat apps and use each with different people. I still use Craigslist, I think it works better and has better organization of categories. The main Facebook app, now that is a unique product - yet frankly, from my perspective it feels completely marginalized, the content there is in w…

Completely disagree. Those three things are all gated by intense network effects. Social media type products are generally as sticky as they come. Facebook will continue to be the platform that everyone uses, because who wants to be on a marketplace or messaging app that doesn't have the most people?

> one could easily have two-three chat apps and use each with different people

I guess theoretically, but in reality, no. People are going to use one app. Apple realized this with iMessage and it's become one of their biggest advantages in the U.S. market. Texting an iPhone user as an android user is legitimately a bad experience, because apple knows that their users aren't going to download a new chat app so they can go ahead and make the experience dogshit for the out group users.

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Post by philistine »

oliwary wrote: post #192
haunter wrote: post #118

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>What people want is an escape from reality. I still don't understand what's the difference between MMOs and Metaverse. Like it's on mobile? That's all? Peak WoW _was_ a social network something Zuck is dreaming about (and that's while you also have to pay a monthly sub). I've read around and some people say that the difference people can _create content_ in Metaverse but... sandbox MMOs are also a thing for a long t…

As far as I can tell from the material Meta has released, they have an incredibly ambitious vision for the metaverse. Essentially, I believe they want to create glasses that you wear, that allow you to see other people in your space, wherever they are. So you could have a conversation with three friends in your living room, as if they were there, while they could be on different continents, making physical location i…

Colour me highly sceptical. Can they ever solve for latency? Playing a video game with rollback code is one thing. Trying to give me the nuance of a conversation with the latency of our global network is a fool's errand.

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Post by crispyambulance »

skinnymuch wrote: post #253
crispyambulance wrote: post #171

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> ... was always doomed for failure You could also say that "they won" and there's no where to go but down now. Nothing can grow forever and things that try are known, in the biological domain, as cancers or infestations. There's quite a few corporations that "won" their market, so they're primed for a decline-- if you can still even call it that after enough people made more money than god and retired.

Facebook having such a bad rep across the board of people did not help at all. Like why is FB not doing any major enterprise initiative or cloud computing? Especially now with their stock dropping, having another $100B in value would help a lot. They haven’t monetized Messenger or WhatsApp much either. Maybe they can’t or it won’t ever be enough. Less than billions in profit won’t help much. Which does make them havi…

> Like why is FB not doing any major enterprise initiative or cloud computing...

They "sort-of" did. The Open Compute Project (https://www.opencompute.org/) is an effort in which Facebook played a major role. The motivation, for them, is to break free of the shackles put on them by computing and networking equipment vendors (like Cisco). Facebook is big enough that they could design their own stuff, and try to make it a commodity which, as a side-effect, allows others to get involved and benefit from as well. It's hard to say how well this has worked but it was "an initiative".

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Post by AlbertCory »

lokar wrote: post #439
chrisseaton wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The quality of posts On Marketplace?! This blows my mind that you think this. It's a chaotic nightmare. Sellers post everything as free and then separately negotiate a price. Buyers repeatedly ask you if something's still available. Both of these mean something's very wrong with how people understand to use the system.

Also, how does a buyer including the text "money order" not trigger automatic fraud enforcement?

craigslist also has this problem, and it does seem pretty easily fixable, to my naive eyes:

someone has said "your price is fair, my agent will be over to pick it up with a cashier's check" for every single thing I've sold on craigslist. I don't think filtering out scumbags like this is a terribly hard problem.

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Post by miohtama »

glofish wrote: post #420
nickysielicki wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To play devils advocate, Facebook is more essential to my life than it ever was before. * Marketplace was a huge success in terms of subsuming Craigslist. The quality of posts and the volume of postings makes me rarely even check Craigslist anymore. * Small forums for various hobbies are almost entirely driven by Facebook groups now, instead of in the past where you’d find some custom bulletin board where the last po…

Each of these: Markeplace, Forums, Messenger are non sticky and with countless alternatives. For example one could easily have two-three chat apps and use each with different people. I still use Craigslist, I think it works better and has better organization of categories. The main Facebook app, now that is a unique product - yet frankly, from my perspective it feels completely marginalized, the content there is in w…

> Each of these: Markeplace, Forums, Messenger are non sticky and with countless alternatives

True, but they are harder to maintain because of the spam. Facebook has more data on genuine users than a bank and it’s easy for them to block low quality or fraud posts. That’s the true value of Facebook - they know more about of your life than you do.

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Post by akomtu »

sealthedeal wrote: post #5

Today, I am sharing the news that after 14 years, I will be leaving Meta. When I first met Mark, I was not really looking for a new job – and I could have never predicted how meeting him would change my life. We were at a holiday party at Daniel L Rosensweig's house. I was introduced to Mark as I walked in the door, and we started talking about his vision for Facebook. I had tried The Facebook, as it was first called…

That's the great mastery of bullshitting right here. The facade paints a picture of wise and humble leaders, visionaries even, that use their powers with humility and keep bad advertisers in check. In reality they are plant managers of a slaugherhouse who meet at a fine dining place to discuss better ways to extract milk and meat from their cattle.
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