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Re: Nokia Lumia 800

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Why do you want it to be a mass storage device? I don’t get it.

To copy files to it? Music, documents, videos, etc? Sure, you can use Wifi, but that's slower, more cumbersome and wastes battery life.

Manually? What century is this?

Isn’t there a way to sync? That would be strictly preferable to a mass storage device.

Re: Nokia Lumia 800

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I can't find the specs for the N9 CPU, but the Lumia is 7 grams heavier and 0.5 mm longer. It could house 7 more grams of battery and the shorter battery life could indicate a beefier CPU. Or a less power efficient OS. I'll go for the second.

Lumia has 1400 MHz CPU while N9 seems to have 1 GHz.

Engadget has the side-by-side specs up now: http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/26/nokia-lumia-800-vs-nokia-...

Re: Nokia Lumia 800

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Why different OS? WP7 is a great system.

Really? Let's talk about compatibility with Linux, ergo, being able to use your phone as a mass-storage device. Let's talk about compatibility with all major mobile web apps. Let's talk about the ability, or lack thereof, to detach oneself from Microsoft's ecosystem, should you decide to get a Windows Phone. Who wants to use Bing, Hotmail, or the Windows Live stuff? Let's talk about universal usage in modern society,…

A lot of things on there are the ones that you're missing but not the general public. Just look at the iPhone's success.

If you're a Linux type(or MS hater) then these phones are not for you. The rest of the 99% of the planet might consider them.

>It's a pity they didn't go with Android, which would give them the freedom to do whatever they want, not needing Google's permission. I would buy a Nokia Android phone in a heartbeat.

Android giving them the freedom to do whatever they want? Huh? The source code of a new version is dropped over a wall after their competitor has already released a device with it(if the source is released at all). Android dev is nothing like the Linux kernel dev. Maybe you would know that?

Also, Nokia was in talks with Google over Android but Google wouldn't give them many concessions. Your anger should probably be directed at them.

And it's not even like you can complain about the lack of options on Linux. There's a ton of Android phones coming out every month, each better in specs than the month previous and they're pretty popular and have loads of apps.

What next, you'd buy the iPhone 5 but the only thing stopping you is that it doesn't run Android?

Re: Nokia Lumia 800

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I know this is going to sound stupid, but one of the things I like iOS and Android is that you can set your own wallpaper. Does Windows 7 Phone support that? I ask because blocks on a solid background strikes me as boring. (BTW, my old Zune did support wallpapers, so this is a step backwards if Windows 7 Phone doesn't.)

Do you mean the lock screen wallpaper or the wallpaper behind the app icons (tiles)?

Only the first one is possible.

Re: Nokia Lumia 800

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Biggest issue with more RAM is not money so much as battery capacity: it's very hard to gate RAM, so more ram means more transistors which are very hard to shut down, meaning lower battery capacity. And a higher surface area and more heat (assuming the manufacturing process is constant). On a mobile device, more RAM is often a balancing act.

Would be nice if we could power down unused memory regions... Sounds easy to implement - a "this block is unused" line on the memory chip that would power down the block pointed to by the address bus. Any write to that region would automatically power it back on. Latency on the first write could be a problem unless we could cache writes (L4-cache within the memory module, perhaps? don't we already do something like i…

The power up/down logic, hardware and individual power wiring could consume enough power and hardware to render the savings useless.

Re: Nokia Lumia 800

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Would be nice if we could power down unused memory regions... Sounds easy to implement - a "this block is unused" line on the memory chip that would power down the block pointed to by the address bus. Any write to that region would automatically power it back on. Latency on the first write could be a problem unless we could cache writes (L4-cache within the memory module, perhaps? don't we already do something like i…

The power up/down logic, hardware and individual power wiring could consume enough power and hardware to render the savings useless.

I wonder if someone actually tried it.

Re: Nokia Lumia 800

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To copy files to it? Music, documents, videos, etc? Sure, you can use Wifi, but that's slower, more cumbersome and wastes battery life.

Manually? What century is this? Isn’t there a way to sync? That would be strictly preferable to a mass storage device.

No, it wouldn't, exactly because that wouldn't be OS agnostic.

And who said anything about it being manual? Mass storage devices can be synced. Mine certainly are.

Re: Nokia Lumia 800

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Manually? What century is this? Isn’t there a way to sync? That would be strictly preferable to a mass storage device.

No, it wouldn't, exactly because that wouldn't be OS agnostic. And who said anything about it being manual? Mass storage devices can be synced. Mine certainly are.

Meh. Just because some geeky stuff is missing doesn’t make WP7 not a great OS. As if anyone cares about Linux.

Re: Nokia Lumia 800

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Really? Let's talk about compatibility with Linux, ergo, being able to use your phone as a mass-storage device. Let's talk about compatibility with all major mobile web apps. Let's talk about the ability, or lack thereof, to detach oneself from Microsoft's ecosystem, should you decide to get a Windows Phone. Who wants to use Bing, Hotmail, or the Windows Live stuff? Let's talk about universal usage in modern society,…

A lot of things on there are the ones that you're missing but not the general public. Just look at the iPhone's success. If you're a Linux type(or MS hater) then these phones are not for you. The rest of the 99% of the planet might consider them. >It's a pity they didn't go with Android, which would give them the freedom to do whatever they want, not needing Google's permission. I would buy a Nokia Android phone in a…

> If you're a Linux type(or MS hater)

Careful. Those are not synonymous.

> Nokia was in talks with Google over Android but Google wouldn't give them many concessions.

Nokia wouldn't need concessions. Barnes & Noble didn't need the, nor did Amazon. They grabbed the code and used it. Android would be a good choice because a) Nokia could tailor the experience to whatever they wanted b) they already have extensive experience with Linux (and Android is Linux) and c) there is actually a market for Android phones

True Microsoft gave them a ton of cash to tip the balance towards WP7. That should also indicate what is actually needed to tip the balance towards making WP7 phones - that, unless US$ 1+ billion is involved, WP7 is not worth it.

Re: Nokia Lumia 800

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We can really see it taking over the market any time now...

That's pretty funny. iirc you are a desktop Linux user, right? Do you use it because it's "taking over the market" or because it works well for you?

I use Linux because it's a flexible, elegant and simple architecture, battle-tested under the most demanding conditions and based on a standard that has almost 40 years of service. Also because it closes any impedance mismatch between my desktop, my phone and the servers that run the code I write.

About that, as far as the two markets I am most concerned, phones (we are talking about them, after all) and servers (where I work), Linux already took over the market.

WP7, OTOH, was written from scratch because it's predecessor (WinCE/WinMO) was so miserably broken Microsoft really had no choice but starting from scratch.

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