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Post by mjirv »

lapetitejort wrote: post #124
hervature wrote: post #76

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I feel compelled to say that your second sentence is probably the funniest thing I've ever read on HN. It resonates very strongly with my belief that VR/Metaverse will continue to under deliver. What people want is an escape from reality. "Just like" Ready Player One or anything from a wide choice of science fiction novels. The problem is that these systems require a fundamental disconnect from reality. Not only do w…

VR Chat is Second Life 2.0. Horizon Worlds is shaping up to be VR Chat 0.8. People Make Games interviewed people in VR Chat [0] and gave great examples of how behind (intentionally in some cases, in terms of not having lower halves of avatars) Horizon Worlds appears to be. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PHT-zBxKQQ

Thanks for sharing that video. Fascinating.

I never used Second Life, but from that video the metaverse does feel a lot like ActiveWorlds circa 2007.

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Post by RC_ITR »

oliwary wrote: post #192
haunter wrote: post #118

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>What people want is an escape from reality. I still don't understand what's the difference between MMOs and Metaverse. Like it's on mobile? That's all? Peak WoW _was_ a social network something Zuck is dreaming about (and that's while you also have to pay a monthly sub). I've read around and some people say that the difference people can _create content_ in Metaverse but... sandbox MMOs are also a thing for a long t…

As far as I can tell from the material Meta has released, they have an incredibly ambitious vision for the metaverse. Essentially, I believe they want to create glasses that you wear, that allow you to see other people in your space, wherever they are. So you could have a conversation with three friends in your living room, as if they were there, while they could be on different continents, making physical location i…

One great aspect of that vide: What event is reasonably full, but has people respecting a human-sized empty space next to you so your hologram friend can have a place to exist?

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Post by spideymans »

outside1234 wrote: post #334
oliwary wrote: post #192

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As far as I can tell from the material Meta has released, they have an incredibly ambitious vision for the metaverse. Essentially, I believe they want to create glasses that you wear, that allow you to see other people in your space, wherever they are. So you could have a conversation with three friends in your living room, as if they were there, while they could be on different continents, making physical location i…

So FaceTime? They aren't in the same room, just same screen, but I'm not sure that really has value for me anyway?

Pretty much.

On that note, I wonder if a pair of wide angle cameras could be used to create a reasonably convincing three-dimensional live stream via FaceTime. With VR glasses, participants in the call would be able to see each others surroundings in 3D space.

This sounds more immersive, and less goofy than the metaverse. It also seems like a feature that Apple could reasonably deliver with their rumoured glasses.

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Post by urthor »

Firmwarrior wrote: post #293
romanhn wrote: post #260

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Having spent a couple of years at Facebook, I was honestly surprised by how different Zuckerberg is vs the outside perception. Now, I wasn't part of his inner circle or whatever, but in his weekly Q&As he came off very thoughtful, well-rounded, human, at times opinionated, and willing to engage on any topic. He fought to keep the weekly sessions going despite the leaks, something Google gave up on as I understand. Zu…

I hate Facebook more than most people, but I have to admit that I can believe this. I noticed that the news always seems to go out of its way to find inhuman-looking badly-tinted photos of him making strange expressions. Lately he's become something of a scapegoat IMO, probably because an introverted billionaire with some creepy tendencies/background makes such an easy target.

It reminds me of what we got from Hilary Clinton in 2016.

Whatever you think of the Clintons, the photos by the articles on the Fox News website or the New York post didn't show a human being.

It'd be an art gallery of photographic stills, to destroy someone's humanity.

A 1/100 second exposure, frozen in time, can make someone resemble something they're not.

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Post by chaostheory »

Macha wrote: post #373
chaostheory wrote: post #200

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> I still don't understand what's the difference between MMOs and Metaverse. You actually have to try VR to better understand. Google Cardboard doesn’t count Rec Room and VR chat are good places to start

Rec Room and VRChat are like earlier social MMOs, but with the inherent appeal leaving them attractive enough to cut out the pretense of gameplay (e.g. OSRS, MUDs, were not that dissimilar in being mostly about chatting with a distraction present) It also raises the question of what Facebook's metaverse could do that VRChat and Rec Room haven't. VRChat is the more successful of the two and has achieved the level of s…

Facebook’s metaverse is just marketing. It’s akin to AOL commercials implying that AOL is the whole internet. What meta is providing is a gateway to the metaverse and maybe a portion of it called Horizon. The metaverse is built on the internet. No single entity can own or control all of it despite what any marketing implies. (Ready Player One is fantasy masquerading as sci-fi imo)

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Post by walleeee »

atourgates wrote: post #21

"Sitting by Mark’s side for these 14 years has been the honor and privilege of a lifetime. [...] In the critical moments of my life, in the highest highs and in the depths of true lows, I have never had to turn to Mark, because he was already there." If this is an accurate reflection of her experience, I don't expect it's a side of Mark Zuckerberg most of us imagine exists.

the constant ad hom against him is especially pernicious because it distracts from substantive critique of the company and related social phenomena

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Post by fullshark »

mmaunder wrote: post #359
frisco wrote: post #25

I increasingly believe that Facebook’s pivot to Meta will end up going down as one of the biggest misses in the history of business. The metaverse is a real idea yes - but strapping a phone to your face and walking through your coffee table isn’t it. Especially not with a mediocre centralized FB owned “virtual world” where they inflict heavy taxes and content moderation. Facebook has neglected its core businesses for…

Don’t confuse investor sobriety after an epic party with strategic miscalculation. Zuck is taking a gamble. Good for him. It’s extremely rare for a big co to have the balls and for leadership to have the autonomy to do this these days. He has both. He may fail. But at least he took a big hairy audacious risky shot at first to market and a chance at being what Steve Jobs is to smart phones. I wouldn’t count him out ju…

It can be both an admirable bet and the failure the OP describes. In fact I think the fact that it's a big hairy audacious risky shot is why OP may prove correct and it's discussed in MBA programs for the next 100 years.

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Post by belfalas »

urthor wrote: post #425
Firmwarrior wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate Facebook more than most people, but I have to admit that I can believe this. I noticed that the news always seems to go out of its way to find inhuman-looking badly-tinted photos of him making strange expressions. Lately he's become something of a scapegoat IMO, probably because an introverted billionaire with some creepy tendencies/background makes such an easy target.

It reminds me of what we got from Hilary Clinton in 2016. Whatever you think of the Clintons, the photos by the articles on the Fox News website or the New York post didn't show a human being. It'd be an art gallery of photographic stills, to destroy someone's humanity. A 1/100 second exposure, frozen in time, can make someone resemble something they're not.

It is a well known open secret in the newspaper industry that if you want to make sure they use a bad photo of you, just be a jerk to one of the journalists. They talk to the photographers.

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Post by threeseed »

skinnymuch wrote: post #278
threeseed wrote: post #156

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Almost everyone I know under 50 doesn't use WhatsApp and/or Instagram multiple times per day. I wonder what insights we can extrapolate to billions of people from our sample size of 2.

Their anecdote is worth a lot more. Most people under 50 that any one knows don’t use almost every thing. It likely isn’t true that no one is using it around you. I’ve had a friend say that before when I know mutual friends who use it. There’s too many different things so most things won’t be used among any ones anecdotes. For something to be used in different anecdotes is a pretty big deal. Are you using FB and IG a…

All anecdotes are pointless.

You can't extrapolate your opinion to the behaviours of a billion plus people.

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